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Rita you know I love you but I just

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gotta I gotta tell the whole story

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Rita leans over into my ear and goes we

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gotta go if we don't leave now we're

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she was right I mean it was full-on it

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was going down and the passion of this

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conversation was right out front nobody

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was hiding anything and all it said to

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me said - Rita - you know as we're

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leaning back and we're listening to this

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this is what people are thinking and

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talking about this is what's going on in

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society today

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now I'm not sure I didn't ask I'm not

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sure everybody was getting their

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information they don't listen to fade to

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black as a matter of fact a couple of

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people at the table were like so uh what

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have you been up to in the last eight

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years well you know oh really oh that's

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interesting they didn't know they didn't

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have any idea now they don't listen to

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fade to black but all of them were very

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educated in conspiracy theory now

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picture this for a second one was an

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artist is an artist talented artist

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talented another one works in an office

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of trucks and another owns his own

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logistics company all of them all of

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them met for the first time so then I

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turn to the table and I asked would

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would anybody here get the colvett

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vaccine and the entire table

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said no at the same time and I reacted I

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kind of laughed out loud it copied by

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surprise but it was just a chorus right

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now at that point I sit back and I

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listen to their reasons why all of them

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all of the reasons we have heard before

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tree show actually but it just wasn't

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are just walking around the streets

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right now but they have investigated

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they are very well informed and have

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come to their own conclusions based on

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couldn't believe it they get it they

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understand at that point I threw this

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out there I said isn't it strange that

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all of these conspiracy theories used to

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be considered way out there right that

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all of this stuff was was was left

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before the crazy people and here we are

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right now discussing it out of the open

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and Andy sitting to my left he says this

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has always been the plan man they've

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been working on it for decades oh man

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and somebody from across the table comes

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back with I know right you know this has

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been in the works for a long time they

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start in on this conversation

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Rita leans over whispers in my ear and

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she's like okay Church let's go we got

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up set our good-byes and and we left and

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Rita and it was it was it was nuts man

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it was crazy and I turned to wrist start

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at the car and like put it in Drive and

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I turned to read I go I swear I didn't

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start the

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conversation she we laughed and and on

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the way home Rita said conspiracy is the

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new normal and it really is it this

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conversation went on for it was about an

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hour hour and a half I I know what

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you're thinking and in any other

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environment

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I'm the instigator here and I and I am

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and I can dig that you know you want to

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get the conversation going and things

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this this time around it wasn't me and I

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am I am I was most impressed with this

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all of this I was most impressed with

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the knowledge but the knowledge because

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every time and all of the convey

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everything was discussed but but they

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got into details and they're flying back

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and forth with this and and in in any of

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their situation I'm kind of

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kick-starting it or adding on tidbits or

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that's where this this is where that

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came from it is who said that I didn't

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have to do any of it and and oh oh I do

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want to stress this they didn't quote

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anybody he didn't quote anybody like I I

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saw this out of YouTube channel I heard

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this on Alex Jones I saw this on Fox

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News I read this on CNN they didn't say

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anything like that very well researched

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time but the good news is it's world UFO

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I'm the game changer networking KCRA the

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planets it's world UFO day and tonight

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our guest is Richard Dolan Richard is

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one of the world's leading researchers

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believes they constitute the greatest

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his graduate work at the University of

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Rochester where he studied the US cold

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war strategy the European history and

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security state he co-authored with Bryce

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mine Kelso hosts his weekly radio show

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the Richard Dolan show on KCRA and he's

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currently featured on several television

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to his research his company Richard

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by authors from around the world and he

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is website is Richard Dolan press it is

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over at Jimmy Church radio comm where

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Richard bleep and Dolan Richard good

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evening man and happy birthday oh hi

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Jimmy thank you I'm feeling good [\h__\h]

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being on here did you guys uh did you

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guys Throwdown last night we I did a lot

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of yard work which is just right up my

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alley for my birthday I enjoy being

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outside it's about one of the only

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things we can do these days I like being

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was just enough for me it's your

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birthday man don't you okay alright you

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know what you did it your way and

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and happy birthday and isn't it

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you know irony is just a funny word with

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a lot of different definitions but

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today's world UFO day and we adjusted

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the schedule this week because of your

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birthday you didn't realize Wednesday

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was your birthday

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and when we reschedule for Thursday we

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didn't realize it was world UFO day so I

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think the universe just kind of fixed

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things for us it made sure that this

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happened when it did that's sort of

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that's what I'm gonna say now let's say

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okay a hold on hold on we got to do this

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traditions have to be held what was the

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last song that you listened to today you

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know I I actually thought about that

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before we went on because I don't know

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if I listened to any song all day today

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however the last song I remember hearing

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was yesterday and it was a song by one

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of my very very still Hidan and it was

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from their comeback album from around I

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think 2000 or so and it was a song

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called the Jack of Speed great song

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yeah right on right on you know I

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actually I had the opportunity this was

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19 I'm gonna go nyeeehhh right in there

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I got to see Steely Dan at the Irvine

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Meadows amphitheater outdoors floor

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seats I'm gonna say row 20 or so in the

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center and it was absolutely

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mind-blowing Lee you know well they're

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beautiful and I think that might have

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been beginning of their comeback period

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the comeback period what was really

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great about that is if you think about

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is 25 years ago now right 27 years ago

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yeah they were still kids you know I was

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and speaking about that this that I had

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this weird thought last night I'm gonna

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run this by you for a second you and I

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if you go back to 1985 it's just in your

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mind just you know just go back to 1985

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in what you were doing in 85 and then

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the world's greatest mullet where is it

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so did I and so between 85 in in 1990 to

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1995 a lot of things happened around the

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world technology took off and things

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like that but it was only a little 10

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year span like between the the

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difference between 85 in 1990 were

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tremendous but it's such a short period

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of time and to go from that to me the

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year 2000 to 2020 was the blink of an

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eye that I can't believe what you know

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when I look back at 1995 and what I was

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doing like seeing Steely Dan the 80s

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were just a couple of weeks before that

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and and where we mentioned the the rate

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of change I don't know what made you

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think of that but a couple of years ago

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I was just sort of wandering in my mind

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as it were just thinking what were the

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decades of greatest change in the 20th

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century and I really wanted to think

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about that mm-hmm and I decided that

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possibly number one was from like let's

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say 1913 in 1923 we can I mean if you

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really wanna get until we could talk

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about but then the second one was 19 I

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picked 1984 to 1994 yep and because

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you've got the end of the Cold War

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geopolitically you've got the real

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development of the computer age for the

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first time right right right beginning

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of interconnectivity it was just a

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massive change culturally it didn't seem

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as much like a great change that's the

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only thing but it was a tremendous

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unbelievable upside down and now we're

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in an era where everything is changing

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so rapidly 24-hour cycles it's just so

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fast yeah III actually

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we made some pretty pretty thick

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comments on this very subject over the

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last couple of years but I keep pointing

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out to everybody for me it was 1995 to

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the year 2000 though I think that those

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five years a lot of things happened at

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that point cell phones with the Internet

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of the world well before that everyone

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was online with like bulletin boards and

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that's why I think but in the late

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nineties you start getting the WYSIWYG

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what you see is what you get the

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graphical user interface and that that

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really in America online remember a

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million of those totally totally totally

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and and then and then if we stop and

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just pause for a second and think about

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we went from in 95 to 2000 we made the

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leap from tube televisions to flat

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screens yeah that also happened in that

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period yeah of course cell phones but

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then you know what else happened in that

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period that was I mean huge nineties VHS

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to DVD that happened then DVD players

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not enough so right yeah for me it was

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like 95 to 2000 we almost couldn't you

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know it was GPS in our cars and all

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these things happen from 95 to 2000 and

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I don't think that we really understood

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how much technology was changing and how

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we were going to manage it in a

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responsible way and here we are in 2020

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we don't know what the eff is going on

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well what happened I'm just gonna offer

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my own suggestion is that with the birth

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of interconnectivity and the web

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basically in the 90s it was an

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unprecedented development of human

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freedom that had never existed before

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him so people could communicate with

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each other literally on the other side

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of the world instantaneously and learn

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even if you couldn't yet do video

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conferencing the amount of deformation

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going digitally was unprecedented and it

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it created the alternative community

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that we have but what we've now seen

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is in the last five years especially is

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the Empire Strikes Back as it were so

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what we're seeing is essentially a

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consolidation by the established

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corporate hierarchy I guess you could

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say to control that Wild West of the

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internet and to detainment and if not

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turn it back into the TV of the 1980s

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then something as close to that as I can

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attain so what we're seeing is

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essentially a an attempt to control that

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whole amount of freedom actually and

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just roll it back and contain it so it's

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safer for them well that reminds me of

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six years ago the first time I had you

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on coast to coast okay you've been on

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fade to black and all that stuff but six

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years ago the first time you were on

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coast to coast the first question I

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asked you out of the gate was Richard

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you're respected you're known do you

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have to watch what you say

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and I remember remember that yeah yeah

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and what would I do remember was your

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answer was okay Church that's the first

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time I've ever been asked that but the

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answer is yes okay then you gave you

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your reasons why but after what you just

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said now you know concerning these last

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five years I asked you that question six

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years ago so here we are today in this

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environment of 20/20 do you continue to

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worry about or think about or are you

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concerned about what you say is your

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answer different from six years ago well

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it's it's more I'm gonna say it's more

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refined so first of all the one thing

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that I remind myself of every single day

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is I have a I have a commitment and the

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commitment is to be true and to speak to

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truth and it doesn't mean to have all

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the answers because I don't it doesn't

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mean to to tell people what to think

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either but I have a commitment to be

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true to myself and and to speak the

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truth

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every time that I have the opportunity

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you know in any kind of public forum to

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do so however I am constantly aware more

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than ever now that my words can at any

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time be used against me by people who

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don't like what I about or what I have

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to say and that could be that could be

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anything that could be a government

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group that could be a corporation or

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that could be a group of people who

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don't like me so when when I'm in any

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kind of public setting including this or

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anything else yeah like I have to I

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speak the truth but I really try to

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measure carefully everything that I say

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because I do think that our time is this

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is more dangerous now than ever before

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it sounds like hearing it sounds like

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you're actually cautious and in your

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answer I'm trying to be accurate I'm

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trying to be as precise as I can be I

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mean maybe that's caution but I just I'm

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trying to be accurate this is it's it's

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concerning like I'm very concerned about

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what's going on in our culture I feel

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like there's we've been through a kind

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of reboot of a cultural revolution in

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the last five 10 whatever years and you

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know yeah and I'm watching when you

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think about you know what just happened

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to Jimmy Kimmel right or or others out

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there these these youtube stars with 20

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million subscribers that did something

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10 years ago and and they're walking

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away from YouTube and they're in the

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middle of this cancel culture and

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they're having to apologize that's their

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biggest mistake right there right right

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and Jimmy Jimmy Kimmel taking the summer

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off

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well I it's forced me to go okay what

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did I say

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did I what did I post but luckily I've

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run pretty clean have is it forcing you

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to also do a little bit of reef

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election to think about something that

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you may have said or heard or do you

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think that you've run clean I don't

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actually have I mean I don't think that

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I've said anything in my career that I

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would be embarrassed about today so well

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if I did I wouldn't apologize when we

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asked to apologize over all kinds of

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things that the people haven't liked and

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I'm my attitude is up yours like well

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it's never ever going to happen and just

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be you know I used to say well no I

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actually still say this that the UFO

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community and certainly the fade to

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black community we're like the the

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Colors of Benetton right we're the

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rainbow coalition here everybody's

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welcome

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whatever your experiences are whatever

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your background is whoever you are come

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on in hang out tell us your story

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and and we're all good and I thought

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that and I don't want to sound like I'm

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naive or innocent but I thought that the

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UFO community was was not racist or was

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not concerned about religion or

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political backgrounds and things you

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know I thought that all of that was put

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to the side we're trying to figure out

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the UFO story all that other stuff

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doesn't matter and then you look at what

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some of the things that MUFON is going

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through and and the things that they

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were accused of or members of MUFON I

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should say yes I'm not sure what you're

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referring to explicitly well okay but

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that part doesn't even really matter

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what I'm saying is that even the UFO

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community is a reflection of what is

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going on globally on this planet where

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people are concerned about not only race

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and religion and politics but to to run

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clean and and to accept everybody as who

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they are and it's a weird culture that

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we find when we thought that we had

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moved past this and that's what we were

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doing

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right what what with is forgotten in

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today's conversation is what people are

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is their ideas like that's the single

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most important thing about what we are

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is what we say and what we do and what

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is inside our mind it's not the color of

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our skin it's not our ethnicity it's not

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our gender it's what do we bring to the

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table in this field to add insight and

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depth and wisdom so that is who we are

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and that comes down to each individual

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and that that is why actually Western

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liberalism is probably the greatest gift

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that humanities ever gotten in the last

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500 years because it recognizes that the

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ultimate minority is the individual

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we're all unique and and what makes us

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or breaks us is our performance and our

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integrity and our ethics and it's not

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our cultural identity so each one of us

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comes into this field ufo's in this case

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mm-hmm with an interest and a passion

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and a desire to seek the truth and you

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know some of us but what we all go as

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far as we go

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and and that's the beauty of it so we

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all can contribute and that's what

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brings value right that's what brings

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value it's the ideas why how did we get

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away from that right now now it seems

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that if you are different right then

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you're out of the box which is the exact

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opposite of the foundations of a free

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world and certainly the United States

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was that being different was what you

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want it to be and collectively we are

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who we are and we're gonna get to where

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we want to go because we have different

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ideas we throw it all in we stir it up

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and we come up with something in the end

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that that that works for everybody but

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00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:31,090
now if you're different you're forced

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into defending yourself or or or being

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hated or hated upon it's weird it's why

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I mentioned Cultural Revolution not by

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accident you know under Mao in the 60s

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which that's a whole horrible story

542
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right there I was just I wrote a little

543
00:27:52,770 --> 00:27:51,220
piece about this for my site Richard all

544
00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:52,780
the members

545
00:27:57,630 --> 00:27:54,670
I think we're seeing a little bit of a

546
00:28:00,150 --> 00:27:57,640
reboot in that in in the sense of kind

547
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:00,160
of mob justice and it demand for

548
00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:01,810
conformity to certain ideas and there's

549
00:28:07,530 --> 00:28:03,940
a just like with MAO there's a kind of

550
00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:07,540
religiosity to what we're seeing and I'm

551
00:28:13,290 --> 00:28:10,360
sure it will pass I just would like to

552
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:13,300
see it passed sooner than later but yeah

553
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:17,440
it's it's very disturbing and I don't

554
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:22,110
know I think we're we're looking at

555
00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:25,240
definite it's a just a definite decline

556
00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:27,790
and intellectual thoughtfulness when we

557
00:28:32,130 --> 00:28:30,430
are simply demanding you know kind of

558
00:28:33,810 --> 00:28:32,140
rigid ideological conformity out of

559
00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:33,820
people I haven't seen it much in the UFO

560
00:28:38,790 --> 00:28:36,190
field to be honest with you there's a

561
00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:38,800
different kind of stubbornness and a

562
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:41,800
different type of intransigence among a

563
00:28:46,910 --> 00:28:44,260
lot of researchers we argue over other

564
00:28:49,710 --> 00:28:46,920
things I haven't seen a whole lot of

565
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:49,720
like identity politics in the UFO field

566
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:51,250
maybe I'm just oblivious maybe I'm

567
00:28:57,930 --> 00:28:55,930
missing it so I mean we have you know

568
00:29:00,030 --> 00:28:57,940
there's a wide variety of people and

569
00:29:01,890 --> 00:29:00,040
thinkers who contribute to the study of

570
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:01,900
UFOs and we my goodness we are

571
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:04,960
absolutely lucky to have all the people

572
00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:07,330
who do that contributing and the one

573
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:09,280
thing I'll just say about what's

574
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:11,050
unfortunate about the cult the current

575
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:14,650
attitude is we we thrive by disagreement

576
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,650
we thrive by listening to people whose

577
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:18,880
ideas are different from ours because

578
00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:21,520
frankly sometimes they're right like

579
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:24,790
sometimes the other side whatever

580
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:25,810
whether that's liberals or conservatives

581
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:27,910
or whatever like sometimes the other

582
00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:30,730
side is right or the skeptics in this

583
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:32,670
case right they are right sometimes

584
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:37,210
sometimes the skeptics are wrong and we

585
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:40,930
have to listen to each other without the

586
00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:43,090
mind of a fanatic like we've got to

587
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:47,020
recognize that we can be wrong it's one

588
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:47,830
thing to have the strength of your

589
00:29:50,370 --> 00:29:48,910
convictions it's another thing they have

590
00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:50,380
the strength to be allowed to be

591
00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:52,540
challenged in your convictions that's

592
00:29:56,850 --> 00:29:54,400
real strength and so to recognize that

593
00:30:00,120 --> 00:29:56,860
you can be wrong and then to admit when

594
00:30:01,410 --> 00:30:00,130
you're wrong is really strange and but

595
00:30:03,210 --> 00:30:01,420
that's what makes us grow because like

596
00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:03,220
it's not about the ego it's about

597
00:30:07,860 --> 00:30:05,350
finding out what is true and

598
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and as long as we set aside our personal

599
00:30:13,020 --> 00:30:11,200
egos and our our vindictiveness and and

600
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:13,030
thoughts of revenge and and all because

601
00:30:17,610 --> 00:30:15,190
it's all in the field we set that aside

602
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:17,620
and just adhere the truth we're so much

603
00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:19,570
better for that yeah you know what's

604
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:22,990
really funny is that the audience

605
00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:25,809
Richard that is listening right now if

606
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:30,100
they had any idea of our phone

607
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:32,850
conversation that we had last week

608
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:45,360
Richard and I it got it got colorful and

609
00:30:52,649 --> 00:30:48,850
the point is that kind of passionate

610
00:30:56,970 --> 00:30:52,659
conversation right and and and and

611
00:31:00,330 --> 00:30:56,980
letting it out there is is is is healthy

612
00:31:03,020 --> 00:31:00,340
yes it's healthy that's right I after

613
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:03,030
after I hung up the phone with you

614
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:05,740
it was great everybody have to

615
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:07,740
understand that Richard and I have our

616
00:31:11,399 --> 00:31:09,730
thoughts and our beliefs and our

617
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:11,409
opinions and our research and everything

618
00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:13,210
and our strong disagreements like it's

619
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:15,880
strong strong and right but but it's

620
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,850
healthy and I couldn't wait for this

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00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:20,640
show tonight because you're my friend

622
00:31:24,990 --> 00:31:23,140
and as a matter of fact Richard goes

623
00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:25,000
Jimmy I'm going to use some colorful

624
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:27,190
language right now but before I do you

625
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:29,530
can quote me and I'm just gonna say

626
00:31:36,210 --> 00:31:33,070
you're my friend laid into me and the

627
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:36,220
point but the point that that's okay and

628
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:39,850
the UFO community at times doesn't

629
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:42,250
understand that you can be as passionate

630
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:45,250
as you want somehow you guys everybody

631
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:47,370
is going to meet in the middle somewhere

632
00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:50,530
none of us really have the answers we're

633
00:31:54,539 --> 00:31:52,270
just trying to get to the end of the

634
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:54,549
road here you know and that and that's

635
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:57,010
what's most important and and we lose

636
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:00,159
sight of that don't we yeah I won't tell

637
00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:02,830
you I I appreciate the fact that we can

638
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:04,870
have very very frank private

639
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:08,110
conversations and still come back so I I

640
00:32:13,409 --> 00:32:10,330
like that that's something that I really

641
00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:13,419
appreciate about you and for me it's

642
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:14,950
it's never really been essential that

643
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:17,049
like my friends agree with everything

644
00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:19,510
that I think and say that's ridiculous

645
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:21,640
in the course of a long enough life we

646
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,130
live to be wrong about many many many

647
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:25,840
things and to think that we're always

648
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,210
right is ridiculous it's foolish

649
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,120
I mean who actually thinks that so when

650
00:32:36,269 --> 00:32:34,000
when someone disagrees with us yeah like

651
00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:36,279
our instinct is to sometimes push back

652
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:38,140
or get even get mad depending on the

653
00:32:44,639 --> 00:32:41,620
subject but we're really better off if

654
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,649
we try to understand why the other

655
00:32:48,899 --> 00:32:46,960
person thinks what they do and and that

656
00:32:52,409 --> 00:32:48,909
means listening and it doesn't mean we

657
00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:52,419
have to agree but my god like we we're

658
00:32:57,690 --> 00:32:55,870
so foolish if we condemn those simply

659
00:32:58,110 --> 00:32:57,700
because they think differently than we

660
00:33:02,730 --> 00:32:58,120
do

661
00:33:04,830 --> 00:33:02,740
at some level or another well and when

662
00:33:06,299 --> 00:33:04,840
we come back after the break you know

663
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:06,309
we're gonna swing this around to some

664
00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:07,960
specifics and there's been a lot of

665
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:11,320
breaking news then has gone on over the

666
00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:13,570
last couple of weeks and one of the

667
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:15,820
things that I want to get to right after

668
00:33:21,060 --> 00:33:18,850
the break that there's a lot of

669
00:33:24,060 --> 00:33:21,070
excitement out there in the UFO

670
00:33:29,789 --> 00:33:24,070
community mainstream media picked up on

671
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:29,799
it which was that Cruz is getting the

672
00:33:35,399 --> 00:33:33,279
Senate Intelligence Committee to commit

673
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:35,409
to go into the Navy ins of the Pentagon

674
00:33:43,019 --> 00:33:39,460
to get full information about what is

675
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:43,029
going on and and that was pretty

676
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:44,350
interesting to me

677
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:47,590
but I didn't read it Richard as

678
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:50,950
specifically as having anything to do

679
00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:53,049
with UFOs had everything to do with

680
00:34:01,289 --> 00:33:57,220
national security and you ApS but it

681
00:34:04,769 --> 00:34:01,299
seemed that and that's my opinion but

682
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,779
the UFO community grabbed parts of it

683
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:07,440
grabbed onto it that this was a UFO

684
00:34:14,129 --> 00:34:10,260
aliens from off-planet

685
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:14,139
situation with the Senate when when the

686
00:34:22,829 --> 00:34:18,720
news broke which way did you read it

687
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,839
well I read it that there is a definite

688
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:24,879
break with the recent past this is the

689
00:34:32,169 --> 00:34:29,290
first time that any US government agency

690
00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:32,179
has at least I mean that the it's just

691
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,559
Bill's or hasn't passed yet but if it

692
00:34:38,319 --> 00:34:36,079
were passed it would be the first time

693
00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:38,329
that we have a US government agency that

694
00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:40,990
is actually responsible to the public

695
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:44,780
for discussing certain UFO sightings

696
00:34:50,109 --> 00:34:47,270
they call them UAP but it's UFOs since

697
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:50,119
Project Blue Book actually because part

698
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:53,089
of the bill requires that there actually

699
00:34:59,559 --> 00:34:56,690
be an interface an actual human with a

700
00:35:02,319 --> 00:34:59,569
name who is responsible for informing

701
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:02,329
the Senate therefore the public because

702
00:35:08,109 --> 00:35:05,839
the reports at least in the bill are I

703
00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:08,119
think they wanted them unclassified

704
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:11,540
phrase that they wanted so that's quite

705
00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:13,490
significant that doesn't mean that we're

706
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:14,780
actually going to get everything that we

707
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:18,079
we the public want I mean we're talking

708
00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:19,490
about the US Senate we're talking about

709
00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:21,950
the military complex and I have a

710
00:35:26,049 --> 00:35:23,240
feeling they're gonna find a lot of ways

711
00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:26,059
to all these little thousand cuts of

712
00:35:30,940 --> 00:35:28,180
disappointment will probably happen but

713
00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:30,950
it is definitely new it's significant

714
00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:32,270
and we haven't had anything like this

715
00:35:39,339 --> 00:35:35,750
and there's a kind of implicit /

716
00:35:42,339 --> 00:35:39,349
explicit acknowledgment that these UAP

717
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:42,349
are real that is quite interesting I

718
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:43,790
mean you just think where we've come in

719
00:35:48,490 --> 00:35:47,089
the last couple of years where you know

720
00:35:49,870 --> 00:35:48,500
it was only a decade ago that there was

721
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:49,880
the petition to get the Obama

722
00:35:54,579 --> 00:35:52,490
administration to acknowledge the

723
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:54,589
reality of UFOs if you remember Steve

724
00:35:57,609 --> 00:35:55,910
Bassett had that mm-hmm

725
00:36:00,569 --> 00:35:57,619
and there he was able to get an answer

726
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:00,579
and it was the most lame phony-baloney

727
00:36:05,020 --> 00:36:02,569
nonsensical answer in fact it was a lie

728
00:36:08,170 --> 00:36:05,030
because at the very time that the answer

729
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:08,180
came there was in fact a secret program

730
00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:10,970
a tip to study UFOs and the public

731
00:36:16,420 --> 00:36:13,400
wasn't even told about that so we're

732
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:16,430
we're definitely ahead of that and we've

733
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:20,650
moved it's actually kind of a large

734
00:36:26,109 --> 00:36:23,569
giant step in a very short period of

735
00:36:27,970 --> 00:36:26,119
time so we have a long long long way to

736
00:36:29,319 --> 00:36:27,980
go before the public and those of us

737
00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:29,329
interested in the subject get what we

738
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,790
want but yeah I thought it was a

739
00:36:35,770 --> 00:36:34,160
significant development let's take our

740
00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:35,780
break right here or guess tonight

741
00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:38,900
Richard Dolan this is fade to black here

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00:36:43,050 --> 00:36:42,140
with us on world UFO day I'm your Jimmy

743
00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:43,060
Church

744
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:46,750
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854
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welcome back fade to black I'm yours to

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meet Church world UFO day our guest

856
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:16,970
tonight Richard bleep and Dolan yeah

857
00:42:22,579 --> 00:42:19,500
okay I can already see the emails coming

858
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:22,589
in men that's disrespectful man you

859
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:24,810
can't call them bleep and you can't do

860
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:25,260
it

861
00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:30,690
what the bleeping stands for yeah they

862
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:35,670
don't know maybe they don't now let me

863
00:42:42,380 --> 00:42:39,150
ask you this question it's a very direct

864
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:42,390
question let's say I'm a journalist

865
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:44,730
right and I get one of these senators

866
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:47,849
from the Intelligence Committee and and

867
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:50,460
I go to them and and ask them this

868
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:53,940
question so this insert into the bill in

869
00:43:02,270 --> 00:42:58,800
the defense budget about finding out

870
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:02,280
what's going on with extraterrestrials

871
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:05,760
and UFOs coming from other planets here

872
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:08,220
and invading our airspace this is a

873
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:13,770
concern do you do you think that the

874
00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:18,560
senator would then correct me and say

875
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:22,670
it's not about UFOs it's not about et

876
00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:26,130
extraterrestrials this is about you ApS

877
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:29,430
and what other foreign governments may

878
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,330
possess here and technology that we

879
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:35,520
don't know about that's what this bill

880
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,300
is has nothing to do with UFOs do you

881
00:43:43,940 --> 00:43:41,040
think that they might they would

882
00:43:46,579 --> 00:43:43,950
probably they would definitely say the

883
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:46,589
the part about ET I mean because there's

884
00:43:50,770 --> 00:43:48,180
nothing about extraterrestrial obviously

885
00:43:53,570 --> 00:43:50,780
in the bill and any senator would

886
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:53,580
obviously say well we're not talking

887
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:55,650
about ET here so just slow down like

888
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:01,040
that obviously Sarris with the UAP part

889
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:04,970
there hasn't at least publicly been any

890
00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:09,330
conversation in you know Congress Senate

891
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:12,599
or the house dealing with you ap in the

892
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:15,180
kind of way that the world has been

893
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:16,440
talking about in other words the

894
00:44:23,650 --> 00:44:19,730
tick-tack UFO incident for example where

895
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:23,660
a huge number of other UFO military

896
00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:26,810
encounters right so no one's talking

897
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:31,070
like that but I don't know I don't I

898
00:44:35,770 --> 00:44:33,380
mean what they're what you hear like

899
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:35,780
when Lou Elizondo over T TSA has been

900
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:39,050
talking about these you ap he generally

901
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:43,010
is or Christopher Mellon you hear them

902
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:45,710
saying things like well we don't know

903
00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:47,510
what they are they could be anything and

904
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,940
I mean you know some of elizondo's

905
00:44:55,180 --> 00:44:51,680
earlier statements he's like well you

906
00:44:58,349 --> 00:44:55,190
know Russians Chinese and in fact I I

907
00:45:00,970 --> 00:44:58,359
think no one probably believes that but

908
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:00,980
this is how they're entering the the

909
00:45:04,090 --> 00:45:02,450
conversation and the public domain

910
00:45:06,130 --> 00:45:04,100
because they have to do it very very

911
00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:06,140
very carefully we live in a world of all

912
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:08,150
kinds of enforced fictions that we're

913
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:09,680
supposed to believe and that no one

914
00:45:12,910 --> 00:45:11,450
actually does believe but we have to

915
00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:12,920
pretend to believe them and the whole

916
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:14,780
UFO thing is one of them now where we

917
00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:16,070
have to pretend well we don't know what

918
00:45:20,650 --> 00:45:16,550
they are

919
00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:20,660
so what's amazing is that this got into

920
00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:23,960
the Senate bill at all but it's very

921
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:25,880
obvious really you don't have to be a

922
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:27,410
rocket scientist to scientist to realize

923
00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:29,290
that probably Christopher Mellon had a

924
00:45:36,460 --> 00:45:31,790
tremendous amount to do with the

925
00:45:39,340 --> 00:45:36,470
crafting of that language you know I

926
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:39,350
think he was connected in his career to

927
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:42,800
the Senate Intelligence Committee in

928
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:46,070
fact I'm pretty sure he was so I'm sure

929
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:47,930
he knows a lot of those people and you

930
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:50,650
know we know that Mellon and

931
00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:53,450
specifically maybe other people in T TSA

932
00:45:58,660 --> 00:45:54,830
have probably been talking having

933
00:46:01,599 --> 00:45:58,670
political conversations and I have a

934
00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:01,609
feeling and I think I'm not the only one

935
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:04,190
to think that this is really the result

936
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:07,400
of it so it's an interesting sort of

937
00:46:12,730 --> 00:46:10,730
entry point into the Senate's language

938
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,740
to have something like this I don't know

939
00:46:16,540 --> 00:46:14,480
if any money is being dedicated to this

940
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:16,550
by the way I'm looking at some tweets by

941
00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:19,850
Brian bender over at Politico and the

942
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:22,420
impression I'm getting is that there I

943
00:46:28,090 --> 00:46:26,750
don't know if there's money explicitly

944
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:28,100
attached to that so that might make it

945
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:32,930
actually easier to approve but yeah you

946
00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:33,770
know I could imagine

947
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:35,990
senator just being pretty wishy-washy on

948
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:38,960
what you were you APR you know we're not

949
00:46:41,890 --> 00:46:40,130
talking about aliens we're just talking

950
00:46:44,020 --> 00:46:41,900
about unknown objects we don't know what

951
00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:44,030
they aren't right and and and and let's

952
00:46:51,940 --> 00:46:46,670
take it a step further do you think the

953
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:51,950
Senators have been spoken to with that

954
00:46:59,560 --> 00:46:55,610
kind of language right okay you ap maybe

955
00:47:02,590 --> 00:46:59,570
the vernacular that is as public but do

956
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:02,600
you think that the language to them has

957
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:07,730
been about specifically UFOs not you ApS

958
00:47:14,830 --> 00:47:10,850
we're talking over the alien kind that

959
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,840
this is the understanding for them which

960
00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:16,880
is what this is about do you think that

961
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:18,470
conversation has happened

962
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:21,950
depends on how private it is so I mean

963
00:47:26,290 --> 00:47:23,510
I'm just guessing here but I would say

964
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:26,300
the more private the conversation is the

965
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:30,470
more senators are actually able to have

966
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:34,490
a frank candid conversation about this I

967
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:37,130
would have a feeling that I think the

968
00:47:41,410 --> 00:47:39,950
gloves would come off I mean senator is

969
00:47:43,570 --> 00:47:41,420
you know they're corrupt they're bought

970
00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:43,580
off and all of apathy also human beings

971
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:47,780
and when they're confronted with UAP in

972
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:52,550
a bill for the first time in fifty more

973
00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:54,890
of North and fifty years they're

974
00:47:58,900 --> 00:47:56,990
probably going to be curious and I could

975
00:48:00,970 --> 00:47:58,910
easily imagine that there would be some

976
00:48:02,620 --> 00:48:00,980
frank questions about it like what are

977
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:02,630
you talking about what what is this like

978
00:48:07,630 --> 00:48:05,690
that type of thing and you know don't be

979
00:48:08,770 --> 00:48:07,640
asked me that's not a thing so I could

980
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:08,780
imagine that there would be some frame

981
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:12,560
conversations yeah the the other part of

982
00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:15,050
this where we're we've got a lot of

983
00:48:22,030 --> 00:48:18,950
conversations that are going on right

984
00:48:23,890 --> 00:48:22,040
now that have up well let's actually say

985
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:23,900
this has actually gone on for 70 years

986
00:48:29,710 --> 00:48:26,330
this isn't the first time these things

987
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:29,720
have happened but do you think that

988
00:48:38,010 --> 00:48:34,730
there is somebody right now that is that

989
00:48:43,739 --> 00:48:38,020
is on the public side of the fence that

990
00:48:54,179 --> 00:48:49,089
maybe with the UFO television show or in

991
00:49:00,489 --> 00:48:54,189
any way communicating to the public that

992
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:00,499
has the information the secret stuff be

993
00:49:06,819 --> 00:49:04,729
the real deal I don't think tom knows

994
00:49:09,009 --> 00:49:06,829
anything well I mean I assume that's

995
00:49:12,459 --> 00:49:09,019
what you were hinting no no no not at

996
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:12,469
all no no no no I'm saying across the

997
00:49:18,339 --> 00:49:15,249
board across the board I've been that

998
00:49:20,709 --> 00:49:18,349
you could even say a name like Richard

999
00:49:23,409 --> 00:49:20,719
Doty it doesn't matter to me what I'm

1000
00:49:26,799 --> 00:49:23,419
saying is is there any do you think that

1001
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:26,809
there is somebody out there right now on

1002
00:49:35,439 --> 00:49:30,410
the public side of the fence that has

1003
00:49:39,609 --> 00:49:35,449
the the real info on UFOs the tops the

1004
00:49:41,439 --> 00:49:39,619
real diamond that the the end all is

1005
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:41,449
that person out there and are they

1006
00:49:53,529 --> 00:49:49,849
talking yes it's a good question no I

1007
00:49:58,019 --> 00:49:53,539
don't I don't think so I think that some

1008
00:50:03,729 --> 00:49:58,029
people drop little hints here and there

1009
00:50:05,799 --> 00:50:03,739
things that they know and I think DeLong

1010
00:50:08,849 --> 00:50:05,809
is actually one of them in a couple of

1011
00:50:11,259 --> 00:50:08,859
his tweets over the last year or more

1012
00:50:14,289 --> 00:50:11,269
and people you know laugh because well

1013
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:14,299
he had that experience on Joe Rogan

1014
00:50:27,669 --> 00:50:23,390
which Wow yeah but he's also in a select

1015
00:50:29,529 --> 00:50:27,679
group of people who have who are they're

1016
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:29,539
navigating their way through the

1017
00:50:35,229 --> 00:50:32,630
labyrinth that's really what they are

1018
00:50:36,669 --> 00:50:35,239
and he knows them and they know him so

1019
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:36,679
it's it's pretty obvious that he's

1020
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:40,640
gained a fair amount of relevant

1021
00:50:46,659 --> 00:50:44,689
insights to the situation and you know

1022
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:46,669
for like a year ago when he I think he

1023
00:50:51,219 --> 00:50:49,849
put out a tweet that said you know if

1024
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:51,229
you want to change this you really have

1025
00:50:55,569 --> 00:50:52,729
to make legal changes of the system

1026
00:50:56,829 --> 00:50:55,579
because this is not coming out

1027
00:50:58,660 --> 00:50:56,839
and then also hinting that the a tip

1028
00:51:00,759 --> 00:50:58,670
program was only a tiny drop in the

1029
00:51:03,459 --> 00:51:00,769
bucket of what was being spent like I

1030
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:03,469
don't think he was just you know naively

1031
00:51:08,979 --> 00:51:05,690
speculating or just taking a guess I

1032
00:51:10,779 --> 00:51:08,989
think he had some information there but

1033
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:10,789
you know the question is how far does

1034
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:14,329
that information go and probably not far

1035
00:51:22,329 --> 00:51:15,920
enough I mean I don't think that there's

1036
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:22,339
any public UFO person out there who's

1037
00:51:27,870 --> 00:51:25,910
got who's you know at the Holy Grail as

1038
00:51:30,779 --> 00:51:27,880
it were I just don't think so not even

1039
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:30,789
not even something like help cutoff or

1040
00:51:36,759 --> 00:51:33,650
you know some of the older folks with

1041
00:51:38,170 --> 00:51:36,769
security clearances like KITT green or I

1042
00:51:41,410 --> 00:51:38,180
mean I've spoken to both of them a

1043
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:41,420
number of times I think people like them

1044
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:44,930
have gotten closer in terms of security

1045
00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:47,839
clearances then most of us will ever get

1046
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:49,369
but I don't think they've been at the

1047
00:51:54,969 --> 00:51:52,160
center of the circle either and by the

1048
00:51:58,380 --> 00:51:54,979
way those those two don't talk anyway so

1049
00:52:00,370 --> 00:51:58,390
right hardly ever I guess we could say

1050
00:52:02,579 --> 00:52:00,380
so you know I don't I don't think

1051
00:52:08,049 --> 00:52:02,589
there's one person who's really got that

1052
00:52:12,279 --> 00:52:08,059
if you were given the Holy Grail right

1053
00:52:16,449 --> 00:52:12,289
the the Holy Grail I mean you if do you

1054
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:16,459
do you go public do you go straight

1055
00:52:21,699 --> 00:52:19,369
there do you not you know don't pass go

1056
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,709
don't collect $200 right just go

1057
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:24,079
straight to jail well it's the key the

1058
00:52:28,539 --> 00:52:25,729
Holy Grail is that it has to be publicly

1059
00:52:32,739 --> 00:52:28,549
confirmable well that's what I'm saying

1060
00:52:34,749 --> 00:52:32,749
the the thing all of that it's all it's

1061
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:34,759
all confirmed it's all vetted it's all

1062
00:52:41,229 --> 00:52:38,559
real it's it's it's it's it's the UFOs

1063
00:52:43,749 --> 00:52:41,239
because we've had a couple of truth

1064
00:52:46,209 --> 00:52:43,759
truth bombs drop over the last year or

1065
00:52:48,910 --> 00:52:46,219
more and you know what we've seen is

1066
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:48,920
there's a whole array of cement headed

1067
00:52:52,839 --> 00:52:50,690
obstinate people who call themselves

1068
00:52:57,459 --> 00:52:52,849
researchers who just will deny deny deny

1069
00:53:02,949 --> 00:52:57,469
deny so you have to come at them with

1070
00:53:05,859 --> 00:53:02,959
something that is beyond any kind of you

1071
00:53:08,430 --> 00:53:05,869
know doubt and and rather than using

1072
00:53:10,830 --> 00:53:08,440
powers of logic and inference and

1073
00:53:12,030 --> 00:53:10,840
you know deduction which you'd think

1074
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:12,040
that some of these people would be able

1075
00:53:17,730 --> 00:53:14,890
to do but surprise surprise so you have

1076
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:17,740
to have something that is and and the

1077
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:20,800
fact is that I or any ordinary citizen

1078
00:53:27,660 --> 00:53:24,970
would never have enough documentary

1079
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:27,670
power to just show the world like you

1080
00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:30,310
could show them a document signed by any

1081
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:32,260
number of US presidents and people would

1082
00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:34,810
say well that's a hoax right so so

1083
00:53:41,220 --> 00:53:36,940
that's the problem so I mean if I had

1084
00:53:42,330 --> 00:53:41,230
the ability to do what you're saying the

1085
00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:42,340
answer is yes I would

1086
00:53:46,650 --> 00:53:45,160
you're given you're given that's why

1087
00:53:50,550 --> 00:53:46,660
they'll probably never give it to go

1088
00:53:53,790 --> 00:53:50,560
right you're given a film canister

1089
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:53,800
you're given 16 millimeter film a

1090
00:53:59,880 --> 00:53:57,520
complete reel of eisenhower shaking

1091
00:54:03,150 --> 00:53:59,890
hands with the grey at Holloman Air

1092
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:03,160
Force Base you're given that piece of

1093
00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:06,490
and it's it's all real it's there boom

1094
00:54:14,610 --> 00:54:10,150
do you go public yeah what yes probably

1095
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,620
I mean what you do is you you go as

1096
00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:17,200
public and as open as you can possibly

1097
00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:19,600
go and you have that piece of evidence

1098
00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:22,660
subjected to as much scientific scrutiny

1099
00:54:26,580 --> 00:54:25,000
as possible and and that's what you do I

1100
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:26,590
would do it too

1101
00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:29,500
yeah I definitely would I would do it

1102
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:31,360
that's that's why we will never be given

1103
00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:33,610
that information because the other side

1104
00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:38,260
of it is that the reality of this

1105
00:54:42,060 --> 00:54:40,060
phenomenon and we really always have to

1106
00:54:45,570 --> 00:54:42,070
keep coming back to it you know there's

1107
00:54:48,450 --> 00:54:45,580
community fights and egos and all that

1108
00:54:52,050 --> 00:54:48,460
stuff but but it all comes down to the

1109
00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:52,060
reality of that some intelligence or

1110
00:54:57,870 --> 00:54:55,030
intelligences are is here and they are

1111
00:54:59,340 --> 00:54:57,880
interacting with us and and we have to

1112
00:55:03,600 --> 00:54:59,350
keep reminding ourselves like that is a

1113
00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:03,610
very disruptive thing to bring up and so

1114
00:55:08,610 --> 00:55:05,020
we really don't want to undertake it

1115
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:08,620
lightly and the reality is that this

1116
00:55:13,230 --> 00:55:11,650
truth was something that the powers that

1117
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:13,240
be were confronted with back in the

1118
00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:17,710
1940s and they chose not to reveal it

1119
00:55:22,290 --> 00:55:18,790
now and we can say well they're just

1120
00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:22,300
evil power-hungry you know despot

1121
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:24,430
but I'm you know reality is always more

1122
00:55:28,650 --> 00:55:26,290
complicated than that I mean that's

1123
00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:28,660
cartoon version of history and the real

1124
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:31,030
version of history is that there are a

1125
00:55:35,490 --> 00:55:32,650
lot of considerations for those people

1126
00:55:38,550 --> 00:55:35,500
like one is if you allow the world to

1127
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,560
know that this is real and also that you

1128
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:40,480
got some of their technology then it

1129
00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:42,910
becomes very difficult not to share that

1130
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:44,560
technology with with the rest of the

1131
00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:46,510
world including your enemies including

1132
00:55:53,010 --> 00:55:50,350
adversaries and including just everyone

1133
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:53,020
if that's disruptive technology that can

1134
00:55:57,060 --> 00:55:54,250
actually cause a lot of problems that

1135
00:55:59,220 --> 00:55:57,070
you don't know how to control so that's

1136
00:56:01,230 --> 00:55:59,230
part of it were they right or wrong to

1137
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:01,240
keep secrecy over that well we can

1138
00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:03,370
debate that but it's not like you can

1139
00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:04,900
just say oh yeah well they were totally

1140
00:56:11,090 --> 00:56:07,350
wrong like they had their reasons and

1141
00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:11,100
then of course as secrecy continues

1142
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:13,840
opening up that secret often becomes

1143
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:17,530
even much more problematic and you know

1144
00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:18,970
where you get to the point where a lot

1145
00:56:22,110 --> 00:56:19,750
of heads are gonna roll

1146
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:22,120
if the secret truly comes out that's

1147
00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:23,890
when when Bryce is able and I wrote ad

1148
00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:25,780
after disclosure ten years ago we were

1149
00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:29,260
you know we realized that the end of UFO

1150
00:56:35,580 --> 00:56:33,550
secrecy is a genuinely revolutionary act

1151
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:35,590
we talk about revolution here but that

1152
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:37,890
really can cause a cascade of

1153
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:42,610
revolutionary acts in its wake and yeah

1154
00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:45,850
you can argue that we we're in such a

1155
00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:49,120
state in our civilization we're fed lies

1156
00:56:56,210 --> 00:56:52,540
after lie after lie after lie that we

1157
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,220
probably require something this big to

1158
00:57:02,900 --> 00:56:58,960
blow the lid off of the system so that

1159
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:02,910
we can hopefully get some truth yes but

1160
00:57:07,050 --> 00:57:05,440
it's not that there isn't a downside to

1161
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:07,060
it I mean even ten years ago when we

1162
00:57:11,370 --> 00:57:09,970
wrote ad it was very obvious that there

1163
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:11,380
was going to be a lot of disruption and

1164
00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:13,720
it wasn't just going to bring utopia or

1165
00:57:18,510 --> 00:57:16,590
nirvana like no way it could probably

1166
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:18,520
accelerate and accentuate the

1167
00:57:23,490 --> 00:57:20,890
differences and arguments that we

1168
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,500
already have the culture wars even you

1169
00:57:27,780 --> 00:57:24,880
know you could have disclosure and that

1170
00:57:30,540 --> 00:57:27,790
then the arguments begin over are these

1171
00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:30,550
ETS good or evil like how do you resolve

1172
00:57:35,180 --> 00:57:33,190
that like so it's not going to solve

1173
00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:35,190
every problem

1174
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:37,980
and the technology also is going to be a

1175
00:57:44,839 --> 00:57:41,970
disruptor for probably for positive and

1176
00:57:47,059 --> 00:57:44,849
negative things so it's a huge thing to

1177
00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:47,069
undertake I still say yes though because

1178
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:50,790
I mean honestly it really comes down to

1179
00:57:57,020 --> 00:57:53,490
a philosophical position which is I just

1180
00:57:58,880 --> 00:57:57,030
can't believe in the lies and I've got

1181
00:57:59,839 --> 00:57:58,890
to trust the truth like I don't know how

1182
00:58:02,210 --> 00:57:59,849
else to put it

1183
00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:02,220
you've got to have faith and true then

1184
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:04,440
if you can't have faith and truth and

1185
00:58:09,010 --> 00:58:06,089
what the hell are you doing in this

1186
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:09,020
world that's right and wouldn't wouldn't

1187
00:58:15,050 --> 00:58:12,480
and I know everybody wants disclosure it

1188
00:58:18,260 --> 00:58:15,060
whatever disclosure means to them right

1189
00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:18,270
that they want to push this forward and

1190
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:21,960
an ad after disclosure presented a lot

1191
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:24,750
of it's one of my favourite books and

1192
00:58:30,910 --> 00:58:28,050
and well not going back to that let's

1193
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:30,920
move forward but my point being that

1194
00:58:39,770 --> 00:58:35,369
disclosure means a lot with the upheaval

1195
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:39,780
and the unstable nasaw and it's not just

1196
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:43,890
the United States wouldn't disclosure of

1197
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:47,970
the et kind help maybe stabilize things

1198
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:49,890
and that take things into the other

1199
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:54,690
direction I'm not sure what exactly you

1200
00:59:01,160 --> 00:58:56,960
mean by the other direction but it's

1201
00:59:04,730 --> 00:59:01,170
absolutely possible that a genuine open

1202
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:04,740
honest disclosure of this reality could

1203
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:07,290
be a kind of positive wake up because

1204
00:59:13,099 --> 00:59:11,250
stabilizing of yes yes all right now a

1205
00:59:18,550 --> 00:59:13,109
lot of it depends on what the truth

1206
00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:18,560
actually is like that's really important

1207
00:59:24,620 --> 00:59:21,480
one of the things that has come to me

1208
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:24,630
you know I recently did I did my own

1209
00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:26,569
online conference about a month ago and

1210
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:28,950
I'm really glad I did it I can't I did a

1211
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:32,609
couple of unique new lectures for it and

1212
00:59:39,319 --> 00:59:36,329
one of them was just me trying to figure

1213
00:59:41,930 --> 00:59:39,329
out what the alien agenda is plural were

1214
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:41,940
and what they aren't in preparation for

1215
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:43,410
that I spent actually a couple of months

1216
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:48,240
really revisiting a lot of old cases UFO

1217
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:49,049
cases and look

1218
00:59:56,539 --> 00:59:53,119
and one thing came to me loud and clear

1219
00:59:59,449 --> 00:59:56,549
which is something that as a researcher

1220
01:00:01,849 --> 00:59:59,459
I think many UFO researchers try to

1221
01:00:04,609 --> 01:00:01,859
overlook and I include myself here which

1222
01:00:07,939 --> 01:00:04,619
is that there are an abundance of cases

1223
01:00:12,649 --> 01:00:07,949
of completely human looking occupants of

1224
01:00:16,339 --> 01:00:12,659
these craft and there are so many of

1225
01:00:19,069 --> 01:00:16,349
these accounts that it occurred to me

1226
01:00:21,130 --> 01:00:19,079
that I I mean I would I would was being

1227
01:00:23,569 --> 01:00:21,140
intellectually dishonest by not

1228
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:23,579
acknowledging that you know the in the

1229
01:00:28,489 --> 01:00:26,249
inference with all of UFOs that we think

1230
01:00:29,749 --> 01:00:28,499
well they're gray aliens are they're

1231
01:00:31,279 --> 01:00:29,759
reptilian or whatever they are but

1232
01:00:33,229 --> 01:00:31,289
they're not human because they're from

1233
01:00:37,009 --> 01:00:33,239
another planet and they therefore it

1234
01:00:39,549 --> 01:00:37,019
can't possibly look human and you know I

1235
01:00:42,979 --> 01:00:39,559
would agree with that except that the

1236
01:00:45,169 --> 01:00:42,989
fact is that an enormous number of

1237
01:00:49,399 --> 01:00:45,179
reports that I personally would consider

1238
01:00:51,409 --> 01:00:49,409
credible reports too many include human

1239
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:51,419
looking occupants now if that is true

1240
01:00:55,969 --> 01:00:54,569
and I think it is true I think there's a

1241
01:00:57,799 --> 01:00:55,979
certain number of them that look like us

1242
01:01:01,489 --> 01:00:57,809
so then the question is what does that

1243
01:01:03,949 --> 01:01:01,499
mean and are they here among us and it's

1244
01:01:05,929 --> 01:01:03,959
an uncomfortable question to ask and it

1245
01:01:07,189 --> 01:01:05,939
sounds really bizarre science fictiony

1246
01:01:10,849 --> 01:01:07,199
the invasion of the body snatchers any

1247
01:01:14,499 --> 01:01:10,859
of that but the fact is like we really

1248
01:01:17,689 --> 01:01:14,509
are obligated to ask that question and

1249
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:17,699
by asking that question now you're

1250
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:20,569
opening up a whole new can of worms

1251
01:01:25,729 --> 01:01:24,209
because if this is real and if some of

1252
01:01:27,319 --> 01:01:25,739
them look like us I mean even the Travis

1253
01:01:29,319 --> 01:01:27,329
Walton case which way everyone talks

1254
01:01:32,419 --> 01:01:29,329
about there were human and non-human

1255
01:01:34,999 --> 01:01:32,429
occupants that we're all seeing yeah and

1256
01:01:38,749 --> 01:01:35,009
it's not just Travis's case it's lots of

1257
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:38,759
them so if that is so are they here and

1258
01:01:43,339 --> 01:01:40,559
if that is the case then now you're

1259
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:43,349
looking witch-hunt but not only that

1260
01:01:47,779 --> 01:01:45,209
that's that's one side of it the other

1261
01:01:50,959 --> 01:01:47,789
side is are they here and have they

1262
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:50,969
actually created a Fifth Column like you

1263
01:01:56,499 --> 01:01:53,849
have to ask that and and then the

1264
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,509
question is how the hell do you

1265
01:02:01,729 --> 01:01:58,880
determine who is who

1266
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:01,739
I'd 23andme is that gonna do it I don't

1267
01:02:07,810 --> 01:02:03,610
know

1268
01:02:10,690 --> 01:02:07,820
do it right well Richard really like

1269
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:10,700
sticky situation it is is because if you

1270
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:12,770
and I if you and I landed on another

1271
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:15,710
planet then we climb down the flying

1272
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:16,850
saucers

1273
01:02:21,070 --> 01:02:19,250
you know stairs right and we descend

1274
01:02:23,830 --> 01:02:21,080
them we're greeted they're gonna look at

1275
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:23,840
the two of us and they're gonna think

1276
01:02:30,430 --> 01:02:27,200
you and I are from different planets you

1277
01:02:32,890 --> 01:02:30,440
know that you know what I mean we we

1278
01:02:36,430 --> 01:02:32,900
look completely different what if what

1279
01:02:41,740 --> 01:02:36,440
if what if one of this was black or or

1280
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:41,750
or right short short and fat and tall

1281
01:02:50,590 --> 01:02:46,130
and skinny and just here on this planet

1282
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:50,600
we look completely different and we do

1283
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:52,850
except we do look like the same species

1284
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:56,240
like you know what race I mean we sell

1285
01:03:01,660 --> 01:02:58,130
the same exact body plan we still have

1286
01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:01,670
the same fundamental features that that

1287
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:03,260
actually unites us I mean we all have

1288
01:03:07,770 --> 01:03:05,570
way more in common physiologically than

1289
01:03:09,850 --> 01:03:07,780
we do difference there are there are

1290
01:03:12,970 --> 01:03:09,860
superficial differences skin colors a

1291
01:03:14,380 --> 01:03:12,980
very superficial difference height is a

1292
01:03:19,450 --> 01:03:14,390
little more of a substantial difference

1293
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,460
sure in size yeah but no you have ten

1294
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:21,200
feet compared with three feet you know

1295
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:22,970
we don't have that I don't know you've

1296
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:25,510
got a bigger brain and a bigger cranium

1297
01:03:29,890 --> 01:03:27,970
[Laughter]

1298
01:03:32,260 --> 01:03:29,900
definitely appear to be different but

1299
01:03:35,710 --> 01:03:32,270
you understand what I'm saying yeah yeah

1300
01:03:39,220 --> 01:03:35,720
you know and and I don't know what so

1301
01:03:42,010 --> 01:03:39,230
many people expect when we talk about

1302
01:03:44,580 --> 01:03:42,020
the possibilities of being different but

1303
01:03:47,890 --> 01:03:44,590
the other aspect of looking the same

1304
01:03:51,970 --> 01:03:47,900
amino acids are amino acids right DNA

1305
01:03:54,010 --> 01:03:51,980
and RNA is probably fundamentally the

1306
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,020
same because of amino acids and those

1307
01:03:58,510 --> 01:03:56,720
sugars and an exam mystery throughout

1308
01:04:02,320 --> 01:03:58,520
the universe that the only thing that

1309
01:04:04,780 --> 01:04:02,330
would dictate differences well water or

1310
01:04:07,540 --> 01:04:04,790
carbon in an atmosphere but gravity

1311
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:07,550
right if we had stronger gravity here

1312
01:04:12,700 --> 01:04:09,410
everybody on this planet would be a foot

1313
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:12,710
and a half tall and that those are

1314
01:04:15,620 --> 01:04:14,720
fundamental differences that that we

1315
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:15,630
could expect

1316
01:04:20,750 --> 01:04:17,010
you know from something from another

1317
01:04:24,170 --> 01:04:20,760
planet but but but two hands two feet

1318
01:04:27,260 --> 01:04:24,180
two arms two legs a head stereo vision

1319
01:04:29,630 --> 01:04:27,270
with a pair of ears and a great body

1320
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:29,640
plan and could very well be a successful

1321
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:31,740
body plan in countless other place that

1322
01:04:37,610 --> 01:04:35,370
it would work anywhere right so that's

1323
01:04:39,170 --> 01:04:37,620
really successful like having having

1324
01:04:40,310 --> 01:04:39,180
your eyes five to six feet above the

1325
01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:40,320
ground wow that's amazing

1326
01:04:44,780 --> 01:04:42,540
and having grasping any hands with

1327
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:44,790
thumbs and all of that is actually

1328
01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:48,690
really useful and you know when you

1329
01:04:55,340 --> 01:04:51,660
consider how life is constantly forced

1330
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:55,350
to adapt to changing environments this

1331
01:05:00,050 --> 01:04:58,410
type of a body plan is a really good

1332
01:05:01,490 --> 01:05:00,060
example of something that could be very

1333
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:01,500
successful and also of something that

1334
01:05:06,010 --> 01:05:05,250
could be technological because actually

1335
01:05:10,130 --> 01:05:06,020
of our hands

1336
01:05:12,770 --> 01:05:10,140
you know panspermia is a reality and and

1337
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:12,780
having something like that deposited

1338
01:05:18,590 --> 01:05:15,480
here I'm talking about DNA interstellar

1339
01:05:21,620 --> 01:05:18,600
DNA it's as possible as anything a

1340
01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:21,630
couple of months ago there was his press

1341
01:05:25,220 --> 01:05:23,880
release that came out I read it here on

1342
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:25,230
fade to black I don't know if you'd

1343
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:28,130
caught it but it was very interesting

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01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:32,310
especially for a UFO guy like myself but

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01:05:39,530 --> 01:05:34,650
the press release was a simple one a

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01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:39,540
meteorite crashed here on earth a couple

1347
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:43,200
of months ago was picked up brought back

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01:05:51,530 --> 01:05:47,250
to a university and on the meteorite are

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01:05:58,580 --> 01:05:51,540
you ready the complex sugars for the

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01:06:02,480 --> 01:05:58,590
creation of RNA well now now that talk

1351
01:06:07,850 --> 01:06:02,490
about panspermia right the the basic

1352
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:07,860
elements of RNA on a meteorite cruising

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01:06:15,980 --> 01:06:12,960
around our star system it didn't come

1354
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:15,990
from here I think we have to recognize

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01:06:21,850 --> 01:06:18,450
like life has got to be abundant

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01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:21,860
throughout the universe or universes

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01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:26,490
whatever and I can't remember the latest

1358
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:29,190
estimate but I think of Earth

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01:06:36,050 --> 01:06:33,450
like planets in the galaxy that our

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01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:36,060
galaxy alone it's some ridiculously high

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01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:39,960
number one planet alien 28 billion Hertz

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01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:43,680
general probable gravity and distance

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01:06:49,730 --> 01:06:46,170
from their star and all of that 20

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01:06:52,839 --> 01:06:49,740
billion 20 billion you know and in 1995

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01:06:58,210 --> 01:06:52,849
Richard do you know how many there were

1366
01:07:03,290 --> 01:06:58,220
yeah yeah yeah early 1995 it was zero

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01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:03,300
it's amazing yeah and so yeah I think I

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01:07:11,390 --> 01:07:08,160
think a bipedal body plans probably a

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01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:11,400
common successful body plan like in

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01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:13,890
earlier years you'd hear a lot of

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science is saying well you know life you

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01:07:20,690 --> 01:07:18,450
can expect it to be completely bizarre

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01:07:23,450 --> 01:07:20,700
and different and but actually I think

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01:07:24,740 --> 01:07:23,460
that's probably I mean yes I'm sure

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01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:24,750
there's a lot of variation of life

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01:07:29,420 --> 01:07:27,240
around in the universe but of successful

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01:07:32,059 --> 01:07:29,430
life that develops technology maybe not

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01:07:37,309 --> 01:07:32,069
as much of a variation as we might think

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01:07:39,770 --> 01:07:37,319
no we need to take a break right here

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01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:39,780
Richard so let's get that in but when we

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01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:42,660
talk about something like you know life

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01:07:48,530 --> 01:07:45,720
on Europa living in the oceans well

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01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:48,540
without fire living in water

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01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:51,050
you're only gonna take technology so far

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01:07:56,089 --> 01:07:54,420
it's suck it would have to be so yeah it

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01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,099
would have to be above ground with some

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01:08:00,200 --> 01:07:57,839
oxygen let's take our break right here

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01:08:02,210 --> 01:08:00,210
our guest tonight world UFO day it is

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01:08:04,220 --> 01:08:02,220
Richard bleep and Dolan I'm your host

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Jimmy Church follow me on Twitter I che

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01:13:19,150 --> 01:13:17,000
all right welcome back fade to black our

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meals Jimmy Church now today's world

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view of o day we've got richer bleep and

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01:13:28,270 --> 01:13:24,320
Dolan here with us it doesn't get any

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better than that does it all right now

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01:13:41,710 --> 01:13:33,470
okay Richard here we go you ready let's

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01:13:44,710 --> 01:13:41,720
see the document leak of the century do

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01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:44,720
you stand by it absolutely you're

1488
01:13:47,710 --> 01:13:45,290
referring to

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01:13:50,590 --> 01:13:47,720
Eric Davis's notes from his conversation

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01:13:53,770 --> 01:13:50,600
with Admiral Thomas Wilson from 2002

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01:13:56,670 --> 01:13:53,780
yeah yeah you were referencing that

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01:14:01,210 --> 01:13:56,680
document when he said that but yeah

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01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:01,220
heavy words right and and when that went

1494
01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:04,070
down and I want every I went back and

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01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:07,400
reviewed the timeline of all of this for

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01:14:12,970 --> 01:14:09,170
everybody I want everybody to understand

1497
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:12,980
one thing that when that happened the

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01:14:17,980 --> 01:14:15,890
first two people that talked probably

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01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:17,990
about this was Richard and I either the

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01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:19,760
phone call happened immediately we both

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01:14:24,430 --> 01:14:22,490
had gotten the dock and we started to

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01:14:27,340 --> 01:14:24,440
review it I started making my phone

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01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:27,350
calls Richard started making his but we

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01:14:34,450 --> 01:14:30,410
knew the significant you can feel the

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01:14:38,170 --> 01:14:34,460
weight of what what the possibilities

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01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:38,180
were at that time and and you went off

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01:14:45,850 --> 01:14:42,710
and and did your vetting I went off and

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01:14:50,110 --> 01:14:45,860
did mine we ended up doing shows about

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01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:50,120
it immediately but from what you found

1510
01:14:56,110 --> 01:14:53,570
out then to where we are today is it

1511
01:14:59,770 --> 01:14:56,120
still the UFO leak of the century or

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01:15:03,790 --> 01:14:59,780
what would it take to elevate something

1513
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:03,800
past that okay well both of those

1514
01:15:07,950 --> 01:15:05,570
questions can be answered so right now

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:07,960
it remains the UFO leak of the century

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01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:10,010
there's there's nothing even that comes

1517
01:15:16,180 --> 01:15:13,490
close to it and we can talk about what

1518
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:16,190
it means why it is and all of that now

1519
01:15:21,730 --> 01:15:20,000
there's absolutely the potential for

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01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:21,740
something else and something better to

1521
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:24,530
come along because you know this is

1522
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:28,250
simply this is not a formal government

1523
01:15:34,150 --> 01:15:30,290
document we're talking about here we're

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01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:34,160
talking about notes sent by what I often

1525
01:15:39,970 --> 01:15:37,520
call the Bigelow crowd you know one man

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01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:39,980
dr. Eric Davis sent by a lot of the

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01:15:46,060 --> 01:15:42,320
Associates of Robert Bigelow to meet

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01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:46,070
with this recently retired Admiral who

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01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:50,260
had just left government service and and

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01:15:58,060 --> 01:15:53,810
to get notes on him from a relating to a

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01:16:00,190 --> 01:15:58,070
very important event that had happened

1532
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:00,200
five years earlier and this was their

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01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:01,910
first opportunity to do that and they

1534
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:04,310
were able to make it happen because

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01:16:11,260 --> 01:16:06,170
there was a mutual connection who spoke

1536
01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:11,270
on Eric Davis his behalf and and Davis

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01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:12,950
basically hit a homerun in the interview

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01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:15,710
he met with Wilson talked with him for

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01:16:20,020 --> 01:16:17,410
what seems like a little over an hour

1540
01:16:22,530 --> 01:16:20,030
took very very detailed notes which is

1541
01:16:25,810 --> 01:16:22,540
not surprising at all and then went back

1542
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:25,820
privately to report to his team

1543
01:16:33,010 --> 01:16:29,210
basically it was supposed to go nowhere

1544
01:16:35,380 --> 01:16:33,020
else and for most of the years until dr.

1545
01:16:37,570 --> 01:16:35,390
Edgar Mitchell died it hardly went

1546
01:16:41,740 --> 01:16:37,580
anywhere else one place that went to was

1547
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:41,750
me in 2006 when I was shown a couple of

1548
01:16:45,820 --> 01:16:43,520
pages of that document and I remember it

1549
01:16:48,940 --> 01:16:45,830
very very clearly indeed by one of the

1550
01:16:52,020 --> 01:16:48,950
people in that crowd mm-hmm oh I have

1551
01:16:55,180 --> 01:16:52,030
never given up that person's identity a

1552
01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:55,190
few people privately know but I've never

1553
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,250
given up and that's the end of that so

1554
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:00,560
um but anyway the whole thing was simply

1555
01:17:05,950 --> 01:17:04,400
meant to be a private conversation among

1556
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:05,960
people who have had various classified

1557
01:17:14,050 --> 01:17:09,010
clearances and and Wilson

1558
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:14,060
allowed himself to trust Eric Davis who

1559
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:15,920
actually has turned out to be very

1560
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:18,410
trustworthy actually in fact it wasn't

1561
01:17:20,590 --> 01:17:20,210
Davis who leaked the notes ad wasn't his

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01:17:23,860 --> 01:17:20,600
fault

1563
01:17:25,870 --> 01:17:23,870
and they had the conversation Davis

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01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:25,880
learned what he learned reported back to

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01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:29,750
his colleagues and and one of them was

1566
01:17:36,430 --> 01:17:33,290
dr. Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 14 and when

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01:17:38,770 --> 01:17:36,440
Mitchell died in was a 20-17

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01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:38,780
I guess

1569
01:17:51,620 --> 01:17:45,409
eventually in his estate several boxes

1570
01:17:56,450 --> 01:17:51,630
relating to his UFO life were preserved

1571
01:17:57,859 --> 01:17:56,460
and were allowed to leave and you know

1572
01:17:59,839 --> 01:17:57,869
it's been a couple of years well it's

1573
01:18:02,209 --> 01:17:59,849
been one full year since this has come

1574
01:18:04,129 --> 01:18:02,219
out and I don't really know where people

1575
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:04,139
are at in terms of what's what we're

1576
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,340
allowed to say what we're not allowed to

1577
01:18:10,669 --> 01:18:07,920
say in terms of Mitchell's estate so I

1578
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,679
can just say a year ago I was very very

1579
01:18:16,189 --> 01:18:13,199
very careful about not you know giving

1580
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:16,199
up anyone's identity and I still I still

1581
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:18,480
don't know the man who who was able to

1582
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:20,940
get the documents out but I I know the

1583
01:18:26,780 --> 01:18:24,480
one that he stole don't you write which

1584
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:26,790
is James Rigney who I've you know I've

1585
01:18:30,770 --> 01:18:29,040
spoken with James and in fact I think I

1586
01:18:32,569 --> 01:18:30,780
was the one who who gave up James

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01:18:38,060 --> 01:18:32,579
Rigby's name with his permission I

1588
01:18:40,580 --> 01:18:38,070
should add and then from from there the

1589
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:40,590
document was jpg and circulated very

1590
01:18:47,629 --> 01:18:43,110
quietly among a few other people not me

1591
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:47,639
not yet and Grant Cameron researcher was

1592
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:53,040
shown that by James in late 2018 grant

1593
01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:54,810
of course immediately recognized it for

1594
01:18:59,120 --> 01:18:57,659
what it was as well and then spent the

1595
01:19:03,890 --> 01:18:59,130
next few months thinking what do I do is

1596
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:03,900
this like in in April someone and I

1597
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:06,810
still don't know exactly who I have a

1598
01:19:11,060 --> 01:19:08,760
vague idea but I don't really know sent

1599
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:11,070
me the document through a proton mail

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01:19:15,530 --> 01:19:14,130
account which was untraceable I was not

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01:19:18,109 --> 01:19:15,540
able to get back to him they sent me a

1602
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:18,119
link from injure where the documents

1603
01:19:25,220 --> 01:19:21,840
were just sitting very quietly and so I

1604
01:19:29,169 --> 01:19:25,230
had the same crisis of conscience that

1605
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:29,179
Grant had for a few months earlier I

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01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:31,290
remember talking with Grant about and

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01:19:36,919 --> 01:19:33,480
thinking all right we we can't let this

1608
01:19:39,589 --> 01:19:36,929
sit indefinitely in limbo what someone

1609
01:19:42,649 --> 01:19:39,599
has got to get this out and the only

1610
01:19:46,220 --> 01:19:42,659
thing I remembered saying about that was

1611
01:19:48,350 --> 01:19:46,230
I don't want it to be me but if it came

1612
01:19:49,879 --> 01:19:48,360
down to it I would do it I just wanted

1613
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:49,889
it to be someone else like I didn't I

1614
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:51,150
didn't want to

1615
01:20:00,110 --> 01:19:57,449
to release it was because I know one of

1616
01:20:06,050 --> 01:20:00,120
the the individual who showed me that

1617
01:20:08,750 --> 01:20:06,060
document in 2006 did so with the

1618
01:20:10,220 --> 01:20:08,760
expectation of trust and I I didn't want

1619
01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:10,230
to break that trust on the other hand I

1620
01:20:17,630 --> 01:20:14,340
felt this isn't too important to stay in

1621
01:20:20,300 --> 01:20:17,640
limbo so my own personal decision was

1622
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:20,310
that before the year was out and

1623
01:20:24,260 --> 01:20:22,650
probably before too many months passed I

1624
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:24,270
was gonna arrange for it to come out I

1625
01:20:27,709 --> 01:20:25,679
didn't really have a plan how because

1626
01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:27,719
that exactly except I'd made a decision

1627
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:29,460
that I would get it out but I really

1628
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:30,840
wanted it to be someone else and then it

1629
01:20:37,010 --> 01:20:33,840
was someone put it out and I saw it

1630
01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:37,020
referred to in a private email list but

1631
01:20:40,729 --> 01:20:38,640
it was an email list it wasn't just some

1632
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:40,739
proton thing and I thought okay it's out

1633
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,159
and that's when I made a youtube video

1634
01:20:48,919 --> 01:20:46,080
to talk about I was really the first

1635
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:48,929
person publicly to talk about the

1636
01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:50,400
significance of this document and from

1637
01:20:54,620 --> 01:20:52,860
there just all hell broke loose yeah all

1638
01:20:59,330 --> 01:20:54,630
hell broke loose that was a crazy week

1639
01:21:03,890 --> 01:20:59,340
actually when when you know I got the

1640
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:03,900
same protonmail and yes and what was

1641
01:21:09,290 --> 01:21:07,290
really funny you know what who cares

1642
01:21:10,820 --> 01:21:09,300
might as well just tell everybody kind

1643
01:21:13,580 --> 01:21:10,830
of how it went down it was late at night

1644
01:21:16,189 --> 01:21:13,590
here I had called you it must have was

1645
01:21:19,729 --> 01:21:16,199
probably I know it was dark outside when

1646
01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:19,739
I talked to you that night and do GG

1647
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:22,860
okay i just got this i got it - pro -

1648
01:21:31,070 --> 01:21:26,489
yes yeah and yeah that confers say the

1649
01:21:31,490 --> 01:21:31,080
next day as as we start doing all of

1650
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:31,500
this

1651
01:21:36,530 --> 01:21:34,650
i threw caution to the wind and and

1652
01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:36,540
brought steven greer on coast to coast

1653
01:21:42,910 --> 01:21:40,260
that friday and immediately call through

1654
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:42,920
now this is this is the thing for me is

1655
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:45,510
when we were going through that panic

1656
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:49,250
and this is in june i believe right

1657
01:21:55,399 --> 01:21:52,050
because I got the documents actually in

1658
01:21:56,959 --> 01:21:55,409
April so I had them for oh wait a minute

1659
01:21:58,729 --> 01:21:56,969
no wait a minute wait a minute wait a

1660
01:22:02,090 --> 01:21:58,739
minute no you're right you're right hold

1661
01:22:03,290 --> 01:22:02,100
on let's back up we get the protonmail

1662
01:22:07,730 --> 01:22:03,300
that's

1663
01:22:10,190 --> 01:22:07,740
and I called grant you talked to grant

1664
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:10,200
and grant had told us but man you know

1665
01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:11,610
what we got to back off on this right

1666
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:14,310
now man he was freaking out

1667
01:22:19,580 --> 01:22:17,520
he had lawyered up right yes and and

1668
01:22:23,660 --> 01:22:19,590
that's what we were going through you're

1669
01:22:25,670 --> 01:22:23,670
right it was about a month later that we

1670
01:22:27,980 --> 01:22:25,680
did we did everything else and then you

1671
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:27,990
did the video and and I went to coast

1672
01:22:35,380 --> 01:22:32,210
but but okay so back back to this point

1673
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:35,390
with everything that was in there and

1674
01:22:43,700 --> 01:22:41,370
now today we're sitting on Admiral

1675
01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:43,710
Thomas Wilson Rear Admiral retired

1676
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:48,390
Thomas Wilson doing a full pupu on this

1677
01:22:54,410 --> 01:22:51,890
saying that it didn't even happen that I

1678
01:22:55,850 --> 01:22:54,420
don't know Eric Davis I wouldn't know

1679
01:22:59,150 --> 01:22:55,860
him if I passed him on the street I

1680
01:23:01,100 --> 01:22:59,160
wasn't in Vegas I wasn't even in the

1681
01:23:03,380 --> 01:23:01,110
military at that time I would have been

1682
01:23:08,660 --> 01:23:03,390
escorted by Nate you know he he mailed

1683
01:23:11,660 --> 01:23:08,670
me a lot of specifics that can be based

1684
01:23:12,410 --> 01:23:11,670
on fact right what I wasn't even in

1685
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,420
Vegas

1686
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:14,400
you can check I wasn't even there I was

1687
01:23:21,860 --> 01:23:16,650
doing so I was dealing with Kosovo or

1688
01:23:25,730 --> 01:23:21,870
whatever he had said now what do you

1689
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,740
think the reasons for Davis doesn't have

1690
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:27,840
to say anything it doesn't have to say

1691
01:23:34,060 --> 01:23:31,650
anything why come out and say this and

1692
01:23:37,490 --> 01:23:34,070
and do you think that it is his way of

1693
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:37,500
distancing himself from this because he

1694
01:23:42,650 --> 01:23:41,040
doesn't have a choice yet well yes now a

1695
01:23:45,230 --> 01:23:42,660
couple of things first of all Erik Davis

1696
01:23:48,260 --> 01:23:45,240
did recently in an arc in an interview

1697
01:23:51,710 --> 01:23:48,270
with the New York Post actually

1698
01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:51,720
officially state that the documents came

1699
01:23:58,250 --> 01:23:54,450
from the estate of dr. Edgar Mitchell so

1700
01:24:00,040 --> 01:23:58,260
that's kind of a big thing and he said

1701
01:24:03,140 --> 01:24:00,050
like I can't say anything more than that

1702
01:24:07,220 --> 01:24:03,150
so like that's a WoW moment

1703
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:07,230
and I'll also point out that this 15

1704
01:24:11,540 --> 01:24:09,450
page document 13 pages actually have

1705
01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:11,550
notes by dr. Eric Davis and then two

1706
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:14,340
pages of a letter by command Navy

1707
01:24:18,810 --> 01:24:16,090
commander will Miller

1708
01:24:21,090 --> 01:24:18,820
those 15 pages but that came out along

1709
01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:21,100
with another very interesting leak of

1710
01:24:24,030 --> 01:24:22,750
that time we've really stopped talking

1711
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:24,040
about it but it's interesting for other

1712
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:25,690
reasons and that's a so-called

1713
01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:29,050
alien autopsy email thread of 2001 right

1714
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:31,630
and and the reason that that's important

1715
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:34,560
in my opinion is because that really

1716
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:37,840
concerned dr. KITT green formerly of the

1717
01:24:42,650 --> 01:24:41,410
CIA more than anyone else and and people

1718
01:24:45,810 --> 01:24:42,660
were saying well that's a hoax too I

1719
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:45,820
interviewed kid green about this

1720
01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:48,450
document and I wrote a very long

1721
01:24:53,370 --> 01:24:50,830
analysis of that interview with a lot of

1722
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:53,380
quotes from kid green and just asking

1723
01:24:57,420 --> 01:24:54,880
for the authenticity of the of the

1724
01:25:00,350 --> 01:24:57,430
document email thread kid green's answer

1725
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:00,360
was quote absolutely it's authentic

1726
01:25:07,890 --> 01:25:03,970
period end quote so he wasn't denying it

1727
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:07,900
at all I mean there were people really

1728
01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:09,730
making what I can only call very

1729
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,830
ignorant statements saying that this is

1730
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:13,600
a hoax and it's a cut-and-paste job and

1731
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:16,690
all of this it was from the files of

1732
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:18,250
Edgar Mitchell which all of those people

1733
01:25:25,860 --> 01:25:22,510
had and kid green told me explicitly

1734
01:25:27,380 --> 01:25:25,870
that it was authentic and then you know

1735
01:25:31,470 --> 01:25:27,390
we proceeded to have a detailed

1736
01:25:33,450 --> 01:25:31,480
conversation about everything that was

1737
01:25:34,860 --> 01:25:33,460
in that thread I mean so who's gonna

1738
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:34,870
argue that's a hoax I mean that's that's

1739
01:25:41,580 --> 01:25:38,110
ridiculous and that document of course

1740
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:41,590
came out with the with the much more

1741
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:44,370
important notes by Erik Davis about his

1742
01:25:51,420 --> 01:25:49,330
interview with Thomas Wilson so you know

1743
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:51,430
and I you people have said well it's

1744
01:25:58,710 --> 01:25:55,210
it's it's fake or it's hoax and like the

1745
01:26:00,840 --> 01:25:58,720
question is how who or is Eric Davis

1746
01:26:04,020 --> 01:26:00,850
just you know spinning a yarn for his

1747
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:04,030
colleagues I mean if you're doing a

1748
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:07,690
murder investigation and all of the

1749
01:26:13,620 --> 01:26:10,000
evidence points to one particular

1750
01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:13,630
suspect and you think wow all right this

1751
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:14,980
is probably the guy but then you

1752
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:17,170
interview that one suspect and they say

1753
01:26:21,930 --> 01:26:20,170
oh no I wasn't there at all what do you

1754
01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:21,940
do do you just say oh great well thanks

1755
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,680
for your candor we'll just close up our

1756
01:26:28,590 --> 01:26:25,600
investigation and walk away like that's

1757
01:26:29,970 --> 01:26:28,600
those what people expect here I mean

1758
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:29,980
it's really an absurd

1759
01:26:35,670 --> 01:26:31,920
situation that we find ourselves in that

1760
01:26:37,380 --> 01:26:35,680
because Thomas Wilson denies this that

1761
01:26:38,610 --> 01:26:37,390
there are some people who say oh well he

1762
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:38,620
must be telling the truth

1763
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:41,110
and I'm not even trying to impugn Thomas

1764
01:26:43,890 --> 01:26:41,530
Wilson

1765
01:26:47,460 --> 01:26:43,900
I have only respect for this man and in

1766
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:47,470
fact when you really study the notes you

1767
01:26:52,620 --> 01:26:49,450
see that this is a guy who really was

1768
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:52,630
stuck you know I mean for the people who

1769
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:53,650
don't really know what we're talking

1770
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:55,090
about there's always new people coming

1771
01:27:00,540 --> 01:26:56,290
into the conversation and it's really

1772
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:00,550
simple back in 1997 in April of that

1773
01:27:05,190 --> 01:27:03,370
year dr. Steven Greer and astronaut

1774
01:27:07,229 --> 01:27:05,200
Edgar Mitchell and a number of other

1775
01:27:09,930 --> 01:27:07,239
people including Navy Commander wil

1776
01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:09,940
Miller who really now we are seeing is

1777
01:27:18,030 --> 01:27:14,500
the guy who organized really all of this

1778
01:27:19,860 --> 01:27:18,040
I just did an interview with UFO Joe a

1779
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:19,870
man named Jill Maria who actually is

1780
01:27:26,370 --> 01:27:22,320
very friends friendly with will Miller

1781
01:27:30,030 --> 01:27:26,380
we talked a lot about this but the point

1782
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:30,040
is that they met you know Greer was

1783
01:27:33,300 --> 01:27:31,690
trying to do the rounds in DC to talk

1784
01:27:35,310 --> 01:27:33,310
with anyone who is willing to listen

1785
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,320
about the UFO situation and they got a

1786
01:27:40,290 --> 01:27:37,920
meeting with Wilson who at the time was

1787
01:27:42,660 --> 01:27:40,300
deputy chief of intelligence for the

1788
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:42,670
Joint Chiefs of Staff a very important

1789
01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:45,010
position known as j2 it's highly

1790
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:47,320
significant and when you become director

1791
01:27:52,260 --> 01:27:48,400
of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs

1792
01:27:53,850 --> 01:27:52,270
which Wilson shortly thereafter did you

1793
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:53,860
also become director of the Defense

1794
01:27:59,340 --> 01:27:57,250
Intelligence Agency the DIA so really

1795
01:28:01,320 --> 01:27:59,350
Wilson was very high up there and in

1796
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:01,330
fact they not just met with Wilson they

1797
01:28:07,140 --> 01:28:05,050
met with his boss General Pat Hughes who

1798
01:28:08,820 --> 01:28:07,150
turns out where I learned I didn't know

1799
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:08,830
at the time had his own very deep

1800
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:11,890
interest in UFOs so so this was the

1801
01:28:18,330 --> 01:28:12,250
meeting

1802
01:28:20,340 --> 01:28:18,340
it's fascinating right and so that

1803
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:20,350
happened and and even Wilson does not

1804
01:28:25,229 --> 01:28:23,290
deny that Wilson has denied that he had

1805
01:28:29,940 --> 01:28:25,239
any interest in UFOs and by the way a

1806
01:28:33,150 --> 01:28:29,950
letter from Will Miller from 1995 two

1807
01:28:35,010 --> 01:28:33,160
years earlier surfaced researcher James

1808
01:28:39,060 --> 01:28:35,020
Ian doli found this on Steven Greer's

1809
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:39,070
website it was buried dad print but they

1810
01:28:43,860 --> 01:28:42,610
kind of cleaned it up and it's very

1811
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:43,870
clear Miller's writing

1812
01:28:48,930 --> 01:28:46,330
- Wilson thanking him for their recent

1813
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:48,940
conversation and he's talking about

1814
01:28:53,820 --> 01:28:51,850
Roswell and Phil Corso jr. and Steven

1815
01:28:55,860 --> 01:28:53,830
Greer it's like UFOs are all over this

1816
01:28:58,500 --> 01:28:55,870
letter mm-hmm it's very obvious that

1817
01:29:00,210 --> 01:28:58,510
those two men were communicating about

1818
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:00,220
UFOs so when Wilson says well I wasn't

1819
01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:01,690
interested in that that's that's not

1820
01:29:06,570 --> 01:29:04,510
true what wouldn't the next step because

1821
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:06,580
you just brought this up you know murder

1822
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:09,810
investigation if we're doing any type of

1823
01:29:17,850 --> 01:29:15,370
research into this well in on page one

1824
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:17,860
of these you'll have to finish up what

1825
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:19,570
what the significance is well yeah well

1826
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:21,610
no this is actually is part of that

1827
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:24,880
which is the dates here because he says

1828
01:29:30,540 --> 01:29:27,930
10:10 a.m. in the morning the only

1829
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:30,550
reference date that we have for this

1830
01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:35,370
meeting in the car in Las Vegas is 1016

1831
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:38,590
mm - now I don't know if that's the date

1832
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:41,110
of the meeting or that's that's the date

1833
01:29:50,130 --> 01:29:44,050
of the notes right don't know but

1834
01:29:53,820 --> 01:29:50,140
wouldn't the investigation go into for

1835
01:29:57,540 --> 01:29:53,830
positive or negative on this is to find

1836
01:30:01,980 --> 01:29:57,550
out where Admiral Wilson was on planet

1837
01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:01,990
earth in the month of October of 2002

1838
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:05,470
and and where was he was he was he in

1839
01:30:08,250 --> 01:30:07,690
the European war theater with with

1840
01:30:10,500 --> 01:30:08,260
Kosovo

1841
01:30:13,020 --> 01:30:10,510
was it was he somewhere else for a month

1842
01:30:15,390 --> 01:30:13,030
only part of the investigation the other

1843
01:30:16,740 --> 01:30:15,400
part is to say if it were actually of

1844
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:16,750
turn out that he wasn't there that it

1845
01:30:21,660 --> 01:30:19,210
was it didn't happen in Vegas then the

1846
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:21,670
question we should be asking is Oh does

1847
01:30:24,810 --> 01:30:23,290
that just disprove the whole thing or we

1848
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:24,820
could say well why did Eric Davis put

1849
01:30:29,220 --> 01:30:26,800
that information in there the way he did

1850
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:29,230
and then create this entire detailed

1851
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:32,410
conversation for his colleagues like

1852
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:34,000
that's that's the real question

1853
01:30:40,110 --> 01:30:36,690
all right so if if you think that it's

1854
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:40,120
realistic for Eric Davis to create a

1855
01:30:45,900 --> 01:30:44,170
work of fiction for Robert Bigelow he'll

1856
01:30:47,220 --> 01:30:45,910
put off kid green comme Kelleher and all

1857
01:30:48,090 --> 01:30:47,230
the other folks it needs back in those

1858
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:48,100
days mm-hmm

1859
01:30:52,020 --> 01:30:49,930
fine but that doesn't seem very

1860
01:30:53,370 --> 01:30:52,030
plausible to me I don't think it would

1861
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:53,380
seem plausible to you or most other

1862
01:30:55,660 --> 01:30:53,890
people

1863
01:31:01,330 --> 01:30:55,670
well you thrown away your cut

1864
01:31:01,630 --> 01:31:01,340
but but that's one problem right now we

1865
01:31:03,340 --> 01:31:01,640
don't

1866
01:31:09,010 --> 01:31:03,350
I mean Wilson has said he wasn't there

1867
01:31:11,860 --> 01:31:09,020
and you know that's what he says is it

1868
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:11,870
true or not today I think it's an easy

1869
01:31:17,140 --> 01:31:14,570
point to just get to the bottom of and

1870
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:17,150
if he I don't know is it is it

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2002 is not yesterday no no whoa you

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could look the point is you can go and

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research this and and if there are holes

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01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:30,590
in Admiral Wilson's timeline where he's

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01:31:37,959 --> 01:31:34,449
not accountable for October of or a week

1876
01:31:40,419 --> 01:31:37,969
first week of October then he could have

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01:31:44,110 --> 01:31:40,429
been placed in Las Vegas and what he

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01:31:47,410 --> 01:31:44,120
just said recently is is untrue

1879
01:31:49,780 --> 01:31:47,420
you know or is that the opposite was he

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deployed in the Middle East or was he

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01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:51,469
doing stuff in Washington DC but I

1882
01:31:55,900 --> 01:31:53,330
wouldn't have been deployed I mean he

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01:31:58,660 --> 01:31:55,910
was out of the military by then he was

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retired and in October of 2002 from the

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01:32:04,270 --> 01:32:02,140
from the military from the Navy okay so

1886
01:32:06,910 --> 01:32:04,280
that's right that's right that if that

1887
01:32:10,630 --> 01:32:06,920
escape mat was referring to his Kosovo

1888
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:10,640
comments which were the 1997 right that

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01:32:17,620 --> 01:32:14,000
was the 97 meeting but there there must

1890
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:17,630
be a way to do that he's not truthful

1891
01:32:23,050 --> 01:32:20,050
about his lack of interest in UFOs I

1892
01:32:26,050 --> 01:32:23,060
mean just based on the 1995 letter by

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01:32:29,290 --> 01:32:26,060
will Miller right so you just keep that

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01:32:32,620 --> 01:32:29,300
in mind now you can ask yourself if

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01:32:35,410 --> 01:32:32,630
Davis got the time excuse me the

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01:32:36,250 --> 01:32:35,420
location wrong would that would not have

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01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:36,260
been an accident

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01:32:41,140 --> 01:32:38,290
what do you've done that intentionally

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01:32:43,660 --> 01:32:41,150
there Davis is a smart man and all these

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people have security clearances is it

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01:32:46,810 --> 01:32:45,469
possible and I'm only speculating here

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01:32:49,060 --> 01:32:46,820
that he would have put an incorrect

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01:32:51,220 --> 01:32:49,070
location down for the specific reason of

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01:32:55,540 --> 01:32:51,230
protecting the information if it were to

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01:32:58,120 --> 01:32:55,550
come out he's very sophisticated I don't

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01:33:01,450 --> 01:32:58,130
know that but I can tell you I do know

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01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:01,460
is I sat in a room with someone very

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01:33:08,500 --> 01:33:04,730
close to Eric Davis in 2006 who showed

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01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:08,510
me those two pages the particular the

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01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:09,650
page where Wilson

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01:33:16,330 --> 01:33:11,360
talking about the technology not made by

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man not by human hands mhm mhm and I was

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01:33:23,500 --> 01:33:18,770
shown that so the document existed in

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01:33:24,910 --> 01:33:23,510
2006 and I think it existed in 2002 I'm

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01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:24,920
gonna say something else here relating

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01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:26,510
to doctor kit green because he went on

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01:33:32,020 --> 01:33:30,320
the record with us when I interviewed

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01:33:33,850 --> 01:33:32,030
kit green now kid greens very close to

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01:33:36,540 --> 01:33:33,860
all of these people as well and I

1920
01:33:40,419 --> 01:33:36,550
interviewed him in July of 2019 and I

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01:33:43,740 --> 01:33:40,429
have he gave me an on-the-record and an

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01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:43,750
off-the-record statement all right I

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01:33:49,149 --> 01:33:46,010
always agreed not to publish his

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01:33:50,590 --> 01:33:49,159
off-the-record statement but but we're

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01:33:52,590 --> 01:33:50,600
gonna do is on your record statement

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01:33:54,820 --> 01:33:52,600
lasted for about thirty minutes so

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01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:54,830
between between twenty and thirty

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01:33:58,750 --> 01:33:57,170
minutes this is on-the-record statement

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01:34:00,130 --> 01:33:58,760
and it's just actually incredible he

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says I've agreed on the record that I

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01:34:04,780 --> 01:34:02,900
have no authority to confirm that it is

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a legitimate memo because in fact the

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01:34:08,110 --> 01:34:06,469
fact that I've seen it the fact that I

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01:34:10,060 --> 01:34:08,120
think one thing doesn't give me the

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01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,070
authority to declare its provenance as

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01:34:14,950 --> 01:34:12,080
legitimate I can't do that so I won't

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01:34:17,790 --> 01:34:14,960
say that direct quote I think my

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01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:17,800
goodness now then he gave me an

1939
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:20,210
off-the-record statement which again was

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01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:23,330
very very long and you know look I'm

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01:34:28,570 --> 01:34:25,010
just gonna respect hit green here but I

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01:34:31,410 --> 01:34:28,580
can tell you that after talking with him

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01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:31,420
for twenty to thirty minutes about that

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01:34:38,050 --> 01:34:34,880
it confirms my opinion so what else can

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I say and you know that's along the no

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01:34:41,860 --> 01:34:40,370
comment statement by he'll put off which

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01:34:45,010 --> 01:34:41,870
I asked him right out of the gate in

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01:34:47,620 --> 01:34:45,020
June and his direct statement to me

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01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:47,630
which what is this with regard to

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authenticity we have no comment on the

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documents recently being circulated as

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some of us still retain US government

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01:35:00,459 --> 01:34:57,800
security clearances and remain bound by

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01:35:02,229 --> 01:35:00,469
the secrecy odes we have taken we

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believe it is in the best interest of

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the US government and ourselves not to

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comment on any documents that purport to

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describe classified US government

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programs or information very very well

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01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:13,219
worded he could have just said no

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01:35:16,300 --> 01:35:15,050
comment he could have just said nonsense

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01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:16,310
he could have just said what number of

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things right but he said that so I

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01:35:23,979 --> 01:35:20,780
consider that a bit of a gift

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01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:23,989
you know these folks are they give what

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they can give but they they have limits

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01:35:32,010 --> 01:35:29,059
because they've they've got security

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01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:32,020
clearance they've got you know

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01:35:35,620 --> 01:35:34,159
expectations of maintaining their

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01:35:38,379 --> 01:35:35,630
security clearances and being bound by

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01:35:41,649 --> 01:35:38,389
their secrecy oaths but anyway so

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01:35:46,660 --> 01:35:41,659
there's a lot of indications to anyone

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01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:46,670
willing to look at the context of these

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01:35:51,010 --> 01:35:48,520
documents that they are what they are

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01:35:55,089 --> 01:35:51,020
because what happened it's really simple

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01:35:57,370 --> 01:35:55,099
you know Greer Wilson meet along with

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01:35:59,770 --> 01:35:57,380
Mitchell and wil Miller Miller stays

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01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:59,780
behind this is the official version in

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01:36:04,180 --> 01:36:01,280
the notes okay so I'm just going to go

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01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:04,190
by that stays behind meets with Wilson

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01:36:09,490 --> 01:36:05,690
for a couple of hours and they talk

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01:36:11,379 --> 01:36:09,500
about UFOs mj-12 all of that Wilson says

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01:36:14,140 --> 01:36:11,389
I'm gonna go look for this program that

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01:36:18,399 --> 01:36:14,150
that Greer has told us about this

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01:36:20,020 --> 01:36:18,409
classified black budget program to study

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01:36:23,169 --> 01:36:20,030
alien technology which is what they were

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01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:23,179
all talking about and knocks on a bunch

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01:36:27,100 --> 01:36:25,010
of doors does his research talks in fact

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01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:27,110
among other people to among others with

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01:36:30,129 --> 01:36:28,730
bill Perry who had recently retired a

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01:36:32,290 --> 01:36:30,139
secretary of defense who had just done a

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01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:32,300
whole reorg of the Secretary of Defense

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01:36:43,359 --> 01:36:40,130
by the way and gets into the office of

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01:36:44,319 --> 01:36:43,369
the undersecretary of Science and and

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01:36:49,779 --> 01:36:44,329
acquisitions

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01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:49,789
it's called out stat and and hits

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01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:52,489
goldmine and within you know finds the

1998
01:37:00,939 --> 01:36:56,719
program calls the corporate attorney for

1999
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:00,949
the program initially and is blown off

2000
01:37:03,970 --> 01:37:02,480
and then he's able to get a meeting

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01:37:07,229 --> 01:37:03,980
because he's making himself into a

2002
01:37:09,310 --> 01:37:07,239
nuisance here he actually found for

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01:37:11,529 --> 01:37:09,320
according to the notes classified

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01:37:15,010 --> 01:37:11,539
special access programs for this type of

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01:37:16,660 --> 01:37:15,020
thing and this is one of them and he was

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01:37:18,879 --> 01:37:16,670
able to get a meeting with three

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01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:18,889
individuals which he referred to as the

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01:37:22,660 --> 01:37:20,480
gatekeepers the corporate attorney the

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01:37:26,859 --> 01:37:22,670
program manager and the security manager

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01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:26,869
and they met with him seems to me

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01:37:31,569 --> 01:37:30,409
because they decided that they've got to

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01:37:34,359 --> 01:37:31,579
do something because he's actually

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01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,369
becoming an annoyance and a nuisance so

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01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:36,800
I told him what they told him and

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01:37:40,689 --> 01:37:38,329
according to what he said to Davis they

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01:37:42,639 --> 01:37:40,699
told him that yeah okay they are in a

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01:37:44,619 --> 01:37:42,649
program to reverse-engineer tech that

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01:37:47,739 --> 01:37:44,629
doesn't appear to be from our

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01:37:49,209 --> 01:37:47,749
civilization and they told him yeah we

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01:37:52,089 --> 01:37:49,219
really haven't made much progress with

2021
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:52,099
it it's been painstakingly slow because

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01:37:55,659 --> 01:37:53,570
everything's stove-piped all these

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01:37:57,279 --> 01:37:55,669
programs are isolated from each other

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01:37:59,589 --> 01:37:57,289
we've only got about 400 people and on

2025
01:38:02,259 --> 01:37:59,599
the on the program and we need more and

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01:38:04,209 --> 01:38:02,269
and we don't have more and we you know

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01:38:09,399 --> 01:38:04,219
so now is that true what they told them

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01:38:11,529 --> 01:38:09,409
or not well I don't know but I blew

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01:38:14,259 --> 01:38:11,539
those notes are this is what Wilson told

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01:38:17,139 --> 01:38:14,269
Davis yeah it supposed yeah it's close

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01:38:20,739 --> 01:38:17,149
to specifics it's about as close as

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01:38:22,540 --> 01:38:20,749
we've ever been to specifics which is

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01:38:24,939 --> 01:38:22,550
what I was referring to earlier let's

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take our break our guest tonight on

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world UFO day Richard bleep in Dolan

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we're talking about the Eric Davis

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Wilson memo we will continue this

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conversation when we come back lots more

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01:43:17,130 --> 01:43:14,770
didn't say believin Bend it can follow

2138
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:17,140
me on twitter @ JT radio you can follow

2139
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:21,130
Richard Dolan at rich Dolan on Twitter

2140
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:23,890
you'll you'll know it's rich because it

2141
01:43:29,790 --> 01:43:26,320
says rich Dolan still don't know why he

2142
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:29,800
did it Richard but there you go you've

2143
01:43:35,790 --> 01:43:33,970
got your reasons for it the I want to

2144
01:43:39,900 --> 01:43:35,800
Rama correction yes

2145
01:43:42,210 --> 01:43:39,910
yeah it's was spitting out the acronym

2146
01:43:45,450 --> 01:43:42,220
house dad and which is where Wilson

2147
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:45,460
found was like his entry point into this

2148
01:43:49,290 --> 01:43:48,490
whole maze that he got into an extra

2149
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:49,300
stance for the office of the

2150
01:43:53,220 --> 01:43:50,650
Undersecretary of defense for

2151
01:43:55,050 --> 01:43:53,230
acquisition and technology and I think

2152
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:55,060
as its science and acquisition or

2153
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:56,650
something yeah it's foreign technology

2154
01:44:04,380 --> 01:43:59,920
it's just technology okay a position and

2155
01:44:09,150 --> 01:44:04,390
technology gotcha gotcha why not at this

2156
01:44:11,480 --> 01:44:09,160
point just come out and it's

2157
01:44:16,830 --> 01:44:11,490
specifically a Tara gave us and go look

2158
01:44:18,750 --> 01:44:16,840
okay it I want to put this to bed it the

2159
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:18,760
documents real it actually happened

2160
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:22,290
here's my I stayed at the Luxor Hotel

2161
01:44:27,690 --> 01:44:25,690
Las Vegas here's here's my plane tickets

2162
01:44:31,530 --> 01:44:27,700
there's my reservations on this date in

2163
01:44:34,770 --> 01:44:31,540
in October and and and that's it

2164
01:44:38,580 --> 01:44:34,780
why not it's already out the document is

2165
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:38,590
out it's publicly I thought why not I

2166
01:44:44,820 --> 01:44:41,370
thought that they would just I thought I

2167
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:44,830
mean honestly when I saw the document in

2168
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:48,490
April I just I gasped because first of

2169
01:44:52,410 --> 01:44:50,110
all I hadn't had the opportunity to read

2170
01:44:54,450 --> 01:44:52,420
all 15 pages of it so this was that was

2171
01:44:59,130 --> 01:44:54,460
great

2172
01:45:02,150 --> 01:44:59,140
I'd only read two pages and I I thought

2173
01:45:05,610 --> 01:45:02,160
well if this is so obvious there is

2174
01:45:08,010 --> 01:45:05,620
absolutely no way that anyone is going

2175
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:08,020
to be able to deny this and you know

2176
01:45:10,110 --> 01:45:09,520
Davis would have to just throw up his

2177
01:45:13,620 --> 01:45:10,120
hands and

2178
01:45:14,700 --> 01:45:13,630
well yep you got me like I really did

2179
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:14,710
believe that that would happen because

2180
01:45:21,420 --> 01:45:17,890
it was like my reasoning was how could

2181
01:45:22,890 --> 01:45:21,430
it possibly be otherwise but they stuck

2182
01:45:26,580 --> 01:45:22,900
to their guns and I say they I mean

2183
01:45:28,650 --> 01:45:26,590
Davis and and his colleagues all of whom

2184
01:45:30,300 --> 01:45:28,660
were close to him they just haven't

2185
01:45:34,290 --> 01:45:30,310
given it up and they're not admitting it

2186
01:45:35,730 --> 01:45:34,300
and you know the intransigence says I

2187
01:45:37,620 --> 01:45:35,740
mean I don't know if you could really

2188
01:45:42,050 --> 01:45:37,630
say it's paying off I mean Eric Davis

2189
01:45:46,440 --> 01:45:42,060
has made a number of very very

2190
01:45:48,990 --> 01:45:46,450
interesting statements but he's never he

2191
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:49,000
always seems to know exactly how far he

2192
01:45:56,130 --> 01:45:53,050
can go and not an inch further so for

2193
01:46:00,690 --> 01:45:56,140
example about a week before the

2194
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:00,700
documents leaked so we're talking on May

2195
01:46:10,110 --> 01:46:05,490
31st 2019 right

2196
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:10,120
he's on Tucker Carlson talking about big

2197
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:11,890
not Eric Davis I'm sorry I'm getting

2198
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:13,570
mixed up with a Lew Elizondo

2199
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:14,770
let me just talk about I was on during

2200
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:17,110
here as Davis actually comes in with us

2201
01:46:20,850 --> 01:46:19,360
so elizondo's promoting TV show

2202
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:20,860
unidentified which was about to air on

2203
01:46:25,740 --> 01:46:23,410
the History Channel and he Carlson

2204
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:25,750
astonishingly asks him about UFO crash

2205
01:46:30,330 --> 01:46:27,730
retrievals I mean can you imagine this

2206
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:30,340
on national TV in Elizondo essentially

2207
01:46:35,460 --> 01:46:32,530
at first as well my NBA prevents me from

2208
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:35,470
talking and he says but actually simply

2209
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:39,520
put yes and cards the interview so I

2210
01:46:43,470 --> 01:46:41,530
mentioned James and Olli earlier he's

2211
01:46:45,090 --> 01:46:43,480
really one of the active young

2212
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:45,100
researchers involved in a lot of this

2213
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:47,650
and corresponds with Davis so and only

2214
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:50,410
watches this on Carlson and he's just

2215
01:46:55,580 --> 01:46:52,690
blown away by it and he writes to Davis

2216
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:55,590
now keep in mind this is one week before

2217
01:47:01,530 --> 01:46:59,440
the Wilson leak came out right so

2218
01:47:04,500 --> 01:47:01,540
everything's cool everything's like

2219
01:47:05,970 --> 01:47:04,510
nothing's exploding here and the end

2220
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:05,980
always says well so what's up with

2221
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:08,530
elizondo's a statement here about crash

2222
01:47:13,650 --> 01:47:10,930
retrievals being year real and Eric

2223
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:13,660
Davis writes to Indo laces loose

2224
01:47:17,850 --> 01:47:16,000
elizondo's very brief answer to Tucker

2225
01:47:19,860 --> 01:47:17,860
Carlson's question about whether the US

2226
01:47:23,190 --> 01:47:19,870
government is in possession of recovered

2227
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:23,200
crashed and landed UFO

2228
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:27,010
technology hardware is 1,000% accurate

2229
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:29,290
my national-security NDA's prevent me

2230
01:47:34,650 --> 01:47:31,450
from adding any further comment on this

2231
01:47:36,450 --> 01:47:34,660
and quote it's interesting too because

2232
01:47:38,490 --> 01:47:36,460
James said to me that Davis actually

2233
01:47:41,850 --> 01:47:38,500
revised his statement a couple of times

2234
01:47:45,420 --> 01:47:41,860
to add recovered and landed not just

2235
01:47:47,480 --> 01:47:45,430
crashed so now the reason that's

2236
01:47:51,900 --> 01:47:47,490
significant is because that actually is

2237
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:51,910
directly seen in the notes that he wrote

2238
01:47:58,410 --> 01:47:56,080
back in 2002 where Wilson encounters

2239
01:48:03,900 --> 01:47:58,420
this group that's reverse engineering

2240
01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:03,910
this this craft that is fully intact so

2241
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:07,510
it's not crashed it's a you know in the

2242
01:48:12,510 --> 01:48:10,330
notes it's a fully intact vehicle which

2243
01:48:15,660 --> 01:48:12,520
they actually speculator believe could

2244
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:15,670
fly in the air and it under the water

2245
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:22,930
and in space as well so so it's a direct

2246
01:48:30,510 --> 01:48:26,080
reference to that yeah did Davis say nd

2247
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:30,520
a yeah not security oath he wrote NBA

2248
01:48:36,300 --> 01:48:33,370
right NDA non-disclosure agreement now

2249
01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:36,310
this is what something happened in the

2250
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:39,910
courts this week about NDA's that is

2251
01:48:47,730 --> 01:48:43,360
actually relates to this in a very

2252
01:48:50,910 --> 01:48:47,740
strange way president Trump's needs to

2253
01:48:54,650 --> 01:48:50,920
marry Trump as is as is publishing a

2254
01:49:00,180 --> 01:48:57,420
Trump's son took her to court and said

2255
01:49:03,420 --> 01:49:00,190
that she had an NDA with Fred Trump the

2256
01:49:07,110 --> 01:49:03,430
president Trump's father and or a gram

2257
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:07,120
or whatever the point is NDA right well

2258
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:11,050
the courts reversed everything today may

2259
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,320
they put a temporary restraining or and

2260
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:16,960
Junction on the publishing of the book

2261
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:18,610
that was overturned today in the

2262
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:21,850
appellate courts and which they said or

2263
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:23,410
maybe it was yesterday morning but they

2264
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:29,040
said that an NDA violation is not

2265
01:49:35,860 --> 01:49:33,850
criminal that is a civil no let me

2266
01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:35,870
finish so let me just let me finish

2267
01:49:39,010 --> 01:49:38,450
they they said that an NDA is a civil

2268
01:49:42,370 --> 01:49:39,020
matter

2269
01:49:45,580 --> 01:49:42,380
you can break an NDA anytime you want

2270
01:49:49,870 --> 01:49:45,590
and if somebody feels like they want to

2271
01:49:53,890 --> 01:49:49,880
sue you for money and damages that is

2272
01:49:57,850 --> 01:49:53,900
what the NDA is there for an NDA is not

2273
01:50:00,130 --> 01:49:57,860
a criminal matter this one is because

2274
01:50:05,410 --> 01:50:00,140
what Davis actually said is my National

2275
01:50:06,370 --> 01:50:05,420
Security NDA's plural mmm okay so so I I

2276
01:50:09,070 --> 01:50:06,380
mean I don't know if he was writing

2277
01:50:11,170 --> 01:50:09,080
shorthand to gain doli right if that's

2278
01:50:13,150 --> 01:50:11,180
just the the language he was using I

2279
01:50:14,860 --> 01:50:13,160
mean it was this a if it was like a

2280
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:14,870
Facebook messaging type thing or some

2281
01:50:20,170 --> 01:50:17,210
kind of like messaging service so I

2282
01:50:22,060 --> 01:50:20,180
think he was using whatever shorthand no

2283
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:22,070
it's true like an NDA can just be a

2284
01:50:26,110 --> 01:50:24,650
civil legal binding document you're

2285
01:50:28,150 --> 01:50:26,120
right

2286
01:50:30,190 --> 01:50:28,160
but I think what Davis was saying in

2287
01:50:32,620 --> 01:50:30,200
this case he explicitly said my national

2288
01:50:36,460 --> 01:50:32,630
or wrote my national security NDA's

2289
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:36,470
prevent me so I think we're we're

2290
01:50:42,670 --> 01:50:38,090
dealing with more than just a civil

2291
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:42,680
matter his note here let me ask you

2292
01:50:46,630 --> 01:50:45,170
really quick as well I'm looking at the

2293
01:50:51,700 --> 01:50:46,640
clock here we've only got so much time I

2294
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:51,710
wanna move on in that in the in the

2295
01:50:58,480 --> 01:50:55,730
Wilson dock if there was one there must

2296
01:51:00,970 --> 01:50:58,490
be one specific thing I should say for

2297
01:51:02,830 --> 01:51:00,980
you that says you know what I'm not

2298
01:51:05,620 --> 01:51:02,840
gonna bend on this and this is the

2299
01:51:08,650 --> 01:51:05,630
reason why there's a whole list of

2300
01:51:10,180 --> 01:51:08,660
reasons that accumulate and and there's

2301
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:10,190
a lot of dots that are connected here

2302
01:51:14,980 --> 01:51:12,530
with with references and times and

2303
01:51:16,900 --> 01:51:14,990
people I get that but what's the one

2304
01:51:18,580 --> 01:51:16,910
thing Richard where you're gonna go you

2305
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:18,590
know what okay all of those points or

2306
01:51:23,620 --> 01:51:21,770
whatever but it's this that says this

2307
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:23,630
document is real what's that one point

2308
01:51:29,290 --> 01:51:27,290
well I guess for me it's the the page

2309
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:29,300
that I was originally shown in 2006

2310
01:51:33,310 --> 01:51:32,090
where Wilson is saying the program

2311
01:51:36,580 --> 01:51:33,320
manager said they didn't know where it

2312
01:51:38,350 --> 01:51:36,590
was from they had some ideas on this it

2313
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:38,360
was technology that was not of this

2314
01:51:43,450 --> 01:51:40,610
earth not made by a man not by human

2315
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:43,460
hands and by the way the last part of

2316
01:51:48,730 --> 01:51:45,040
that whole phrase was italicized

2317
01:51:49,150 --> 01:51:48,740
presumably this was very important and

2318
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:49,160
the

2319
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:52,480
to me that is important is that that

2320
01:52:01,600 --> 01:51:58,960
clearly was taken to be the fundamental

2321
01:52:05,950 --> 01:52:01,610
element of the entire meeting that

2322
01:52:07,390 --> 01:52:05,960
here's Wilson confirming to Davis that

2323
01:52:10,630 --> 01:52:07,400
and it was considered important enough

2324
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:10,640
for them for one of those members of

2325
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:14,090
that little very small clique to show me

2326
01:52:20,620 --> 01:52:18,050
back in 2006 and by the way I I know for

2327
01:52:24,060 --> 01:52:20,630
a fact that this document was shown to

2328
01:52:26,620 --> 01:52:24,070
at least one other individual who is

2329
01:52:29,010 --> 01:52:26,630
very well known and I will not give up

2330
01:52:31,990 --> 01:52:29,020
that person because we talked about it

2331
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:32,000
and who knows you know explicitly knows

2332
01:52:38,710 --> 01:52:36,080
that the documents legit and real so

2333
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:38,720
yeah for me that's I think that's the

2334
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:41,570
central point of the document the other

2335
01:52:47,050 --> 01:52:44,330
essential point being that Admiral

2336
01:52:49,450 --> 01:52:47,060
Lawson was denied access you know he was

2337
01:52:51,970 --> 01:52:49,460
a someone who mistakenly thought he had

2338
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:51,980
clearance to have access to this program

2339
01:52:57,870 --> 01:52:54,650
and he learned to his great chagrin that

2340
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:57,880
he didn't it was a big mistake

2341
01:53:02,650 --> 01:53:00,560
you know he's complaining to the

2342
01:53:04,180 --> 01:53:02,660
gatekeepers after their they give him

2343
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:04,190
this little carrot to dangle you know

2344
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:05,840
like yeah yeah it's this program but you

2345
01:53:09,490 --> 01:53:06,770
you can't be in it

2346
01:53:11,380 --> 01:53:09,500
so private contractors that are involved

2347
01:53:13,210 --> 01:53:11,390
or nearly all and he's like why can't I

2348
01:53:15,130 --> 01:53:13,220
be in well too bad we can't tell you but

2349
01:53:17,260 --> 01:53:15,140
you're not in you all complain they said

2350
01:53:19,300 --> 01:53:17,270
fine complain complain all you wanted

2351
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:19,310
like they knew that it would do nothing

2352
01:53:23,370 --> 01:53:20,690
and he did complain and he was

2353
01:53:26,020 --> 01:53:23,380
threatened with his career so you've got

2354
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:26,030
I think one of the things that's very

2355
01:53:30,850 --> 01:53:27,650
interesting about the document is that

2356
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:30,860
it shows like the number of human beings

2357
01:53:38,890 --> 01:53:35,570
within the government who have any

2358
01:53:40,510 --> 01:53:38,900
authority over that program you could

2359
01:53:42,850 --> 01:53:40,520
probably count on the fingers of one

2360
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:42,860
hand that's what it appeared to be like

2361
01:53:50,830 --> 01:53:47,360
it's an extremely restricted number of

2362
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:50,840
people it's not zero but it's very very

2363
01:53:56,710 --> 01:53:55,010
low and and and really in practice what

2364
01:53:59,860 --> 01:53:56,720
you see is this is a program dominated

2365
01:54:01,600 --> 01:53:59,870
by private contractors why hasn't this

2366
01:54:02,830 --> 01:54:01,610
is the one thing this is the perfect

2367
01:54:05,290 --> 01:54:02,840
segue

2368
01:54:16,350 --> 01:54:05,300
or where I wanted to go next which is

2369
01:54:20,770 --> 01:54:16,360
this why why doesn't the UFO agenda have

2370
01:54:22,810 --> 01:54:20,780
the whistleblower if we have crashed

2371
01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:22,820
retreat we've got scientists and

2372
01:54:26,290 --> 01:54:24,110
engineers that are working on these

2373
01:54:29,589 --> 01:54:26,300
these these craft are sitting somewhere

2374
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:29,599
there are guards standing there these

2375
01:54:38,439 --> 01:54:34,400
build the potential of bodies living and

2376
01:54:42,939 --> 01:54:38,449
dead you know where is that

2377
01:54:44,220 --> 01:54:42,949
whistleblower there has to be thousands

2378
01:54:47,919 --> 01:54:44,230
of people involved in these

2379
01:54:49,810 --> 01:54:47,929
compartmentalized programs where's that

2380
01:54:53,350 --> 01:54:49,820
whistleblower why don't we have an

2381
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:53,360
Edward Snowden we have a lot of people

2382
01:54:58,780 --> 01:54:56,090
who over the last 50 years have actually

2383
01:55:00,040 --> 01:54:58,790
said a lot of things about this a lot of

2384
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:00,050
those accounts were collected by the

2385
01:55:05,050 --> 01:55:02,090
late researcher Leonard Stringfield for

2386
01:55:07,959 --> 01:55:05,060
example back in as far back as the 1970s

2387
01:55:11,070 --> 01:55:07,969
and 80s he died in the mid 90s

2388
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:11,080
Stringfield collected a large number of

2389
01:55:17,740 --> 01:55:14,690
these accounts all partials but like

2390
01:55:20,260 --> 01:55:17,750
really interesting accounts none of

2391
01:55:22,419 --> 01:55:20,270
those people were coming to him as

2392
01:55:24,879 --> 01:55:22,429
whistleblowers per se in the sense that

2393
01:55:26,260 --> 01:55:24,889
we think of someone like Snowden like

2394
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:26,270
they didn't most of him I don't I don't

2395
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:27,290
think any of them really wanted

2396
01:55:32,979 --> 01:55:30,050
publicity but they were definitely

2397
01:55:35,890 --> 01:55:32,989
talking there's a lot of that there's

2398
01:55:37,870 --> 01:55:35,900
been lots of people who've talked by the

2399
01:55:40,810 --> 01:55:37,880
way I highly recommend stringfield's

2400
01:55:42,669 --> 01:55:40,820
collected booklets in fact I'm just

2401
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:42,679
holding it here UFO crash retrievals the

2402
01:55:47,439 --> 01:55:44,570
complete investigation status reports

2403
01:55:52,930 --> 01:55:47,449
one through seven which he wrote from 78

2404
01:55:55,450 --> 01:55:52,940
to 1994 and it's 80 bucks Amazon so

2405
01:55:59,820 --> 01:55:55,460
cheap that's worth it and I say this

2406
01:56:02,919 --> 01:55:59,830
because there's a lot of people that

2407
01:56:04,899 --> 01:56:02,929
that were required to make a book that

2408
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:04,909
that's this fad I mean he's got this is

2409
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:06,530
nine by twelve or eight-and-a-half by

2410
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:07,730
eleven or whatever and it's almost four

2411
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:10,310
hundred pages there's a lot there and

2412
01:56:13,660 --> 01:56:12,170
that's just Leonard Stringfield there's

2413
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:13,670
a lot of other whistleblowers who have

2414
01:56:16,299 --> 01:56:15,650
spoken over the years to a lot of

2415
01:56:18,069 --> 01:56:16,309
different

2416
01:56:22,509 --> 01:56:18,079
searchers like they're definitely out

2417
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:22,519
there but the level of right hi

2418
01:56:27,699 --> 01:56:25,129
you know high-level government official

2419
01:56:29,919 --> 01:56:27,709
areas are where is our whistleblower you

2420
01:56:32,139 --> 01:56:29,929
know why hasn't that happen and you

2421
01:56:37,839 --> 01:56:32,149
would think that here we are in 2020

2422
01:56:40,779 --> 01:56:37,849
with the ability to go and take a 32

2423
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:40,789
gigabyte drive or a terabyte drive and

2424
01:56:51,089 --> 01:56:45,530
and and just get the stuff and run and

2425
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:51,099
go and and be an Edward Snowden sort is

2426
01:56:55,989 --> 01:56:53,119
absolutely possible of course it's

2427
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:55,999
possible and you you know we can ask why

2428
01:57:00,129 --> 01:56:58,010
hasn't happened now and I don't know why

2429
01:57:03,219 --> 01:57:00,139
it hasn't happened up till now I know

2430
01:57:07,089 --> 01:57:03,229
that you know I've practically begged

2431
01:57:09,609 --> 01:57:07,099
some of the people in what I call the

2432
01:57:11,770 --> 01:57:09,619
Bigelow crowd to come forward and say

2433
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:11,780
look at your legacy you can do this you

2434
01:57:16,839 --> 01:57:14,530
can be you can be a hero to history

2435
01:57:20,379 --> 01:57:16,849
doesn't matter I don't care doesn't

2436
01:57:23,609 --> 01:57:20,389
matter to them that's not their it

2437
01:57:25,839 --> 01:57:23,619
doesn't it's not enough to persuade them

2438
01:57:28,329 --> 01:57:25,849
they know that it's real they know this

2439
01:57:30,849 --> 01:57:28,339
is true they know that a lot of things

2440
01:57:34,239 --> 01:57:30,859
that probably you and I do not know and

2441
01:57:36,129 --> 01:57:34,249
they're they don't feel the need and I

2442
01:57:38,739 --> 01:57:36,139
don't know why and I can't speak for

2443
01:57:41,919 --> 01:57:38,749
them but I can guess at people who have

2444
01:57:43,540 --> 01:57:41,929
had years and decades and generations of

2445
01:57:46,659 --> 01:57:43,550
security clearances as a need to know

2446
01:57:48,819 --> 01:57:46,669
and special access programs sensitive

2447
01:57:55,479 --> 01:57:48,829
compartment and information like they

2448
01:57:58,329 --> 01:57:55,489
are part of a culture that you know from

2449
01:58:00,099 --> 01:57:58,339
I mean I'm not in that culture so it's

2450
01:58:04,599 --> 01:58:00,109
hard for me to appreciate it from the

2451
01:58:06,729 --> 01:58:04,609
inside but I can glean a few things here

2452
01:58:10,479 --> 01:58:06,739
and there and what you definitely get is

2453
01:58:15,069 --> 01:58:10,489
this understanding that they they just

2454
01:58:17,919 --> 01:58:15,079
they do not break their code it takes a

2455
01:58:19,569 --> 01:58:17,929
lot for them to do that Snowden was

2456
01:58:23,189 --> 01:58:19,579
different I mean Edward Snowden was a

2457
01:58:26,799 --> 01:58:23,199
young man he was not even 30 years old

2458
01:58:29,460 --> 01:58:26,809
when he took off with the information

2459
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:29,470
that he had it was a

2460
01:58:34,380 --> 01:58:31,210
I for one am very glad that he did that

2461
01:58:35,850 --> 01:58:34,390
and Snowden is a very remarkable guy I

2462
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:35,860
mean he's extremely intelligent

2463
01:58:41,730 --> 01:58:38,290
obviously you listen to him but he was

2464
01:58:43,050 --> 01:58:41,740
also young and I think that that's part

2465
01:58:45,930 --> 01:58:43,060
of it I think that's part of the reason

2466
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:45,940
we saw that was Snowden and he got lucky

2467
01:58:50,010 --> 01:58:47,290
was very brilliant he got into a

2468
01:58:53,370 --> 01:58:50,020
position and he was able to to do what

2469
01:58:54,930 --> 01:58:53,380
he did I don't know if it works that way

2470
01:58:58,380 --> 01:58:54,940
with a UFO program when you when you

2471
01:59:01,170 --> 01:58:58,390
read Davis's notes for Wilson you you

2472
01:59:02,910 --> 01:59:01,180
can see that everything is so tightly

2473
01:59:06,900 --> 01:59:02,920
stove-piped it's so tightly

2474
01:59:10,410 --> 01:59:06,910
compartmented that in fact it's it's a

2475
01:59:13,350 --> 01:59:10,420
problem because it's so compartmented

2476
01:59:15,090 --> 01:59:13,360
that all of the various groups that work

2477
01:59:18,090 --> 01:59:15,100
on this you get the idea that they're

2478
01:59:20,580 --> 01:59:18,100
not necessarily talking to each other so

2479
01:59:24,540 --> 01:59:20,590
everyone's got a like in a sense that

2480
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:24,550
it's counterproductive to doing actual

2481
01:59:28,670 --> 01:59:26,650
research and development on this now I

2482
01:59:31,590 --> 01:59:28,680
don't know that that's true because

2483
01:59:33,390 --> 01:59:31,600
we're not in that world but it looks

2484
01:59:35,010 --> 01:59:33,400
like that could be the case and if that

2485
01:59:38,340 --> 01:59:35,020
is the case then what you're dealing

2486
01:59:42,450 --> 01:59:38,350
with is very very compartmented rigidly

2487
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:42,460
controlled partial datasets and I'll

2488
01:59:48,450 --> 01:59:45,370
tell you this one person many years ago

2489
01:59:51,270 --> 01:59:48,460
closed to all of us just said to me sort

2490
01:59:54,390 --> 01:59:51,280
of casually I said let's just say I had

2491
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:54,400
a list of top 10 12 15 people in the

2492
01:59:59,310 --> 01:59:57,610
world who knew everything on this what

2493
02:00:00,930 --> 01:59:59,320
do I do with that list do I go to the

2494
02:00:03,870 --> 02:00:00,940
New York Times he actually said this to

2495
02:00:05,220 --> 02:00:03,880
me and what would happen like first of

2496
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:05,230
all the New York Times probably wouldn't

2497
02:00:11,910 --> 02:00:08,890
publish that list and secondly if they

2498
02:00:13,710 --> 02:00:11,920
did it would be deniable by the people

2499
02:00:16,500 --> 02:00:13,720
listed and then it would probably be

2500
02:00:17,940 --> 02:00:16,510
traced to me and then I'm out of all of

2501
02:00:19,050 --> 02:00:17,950
my security clearances and I'm out of

2502
02:00:20,820 --> 02:00:19,060
the game and I don't want to be out of

2503
02:00:21,900 --> 02:00:20,830
the game I want to I want to get I want

2504
02:00:25,170 --> 02:00:21,910
to get to the goldmine

2505
02:00:27,210 --> 02:00:25,180
like that's the world that they're in so

2506
02:00:30,090 --> 02:00:27,220
they're you know when you learn

2507
02:00:33,150 --> 02:00:30,100
something in that world you're very very

2508
02:00:36,450 --> 02:00:33,160
loath to throw away your hard-earned

2509
02:00:38,790 --> 02:00:36,460
hard-won position but why take it to the

2510
02:00:40,260 --> 02:00:38,800
grave it's a good question I mean that

2511
02:00:42,530 --> 02:00:40,270
just doesn't make any sense

2512
02:00:44,450 --> 02:00:42,540
I mean why take it to the grave and

2513
02:00:46,370 --> 02:00:44,460
so afraid of something else you know I

2514
02:00:50,330 --> 02:00:46,380
corresponded a flee with Edgar Mitchell

2515
02:00:52,070 --> 02:00:50,340
on this exact thing I said you know you

2516
02:00:53,300 --> 02:00:52,080
tell me you like what I do so once you

2517
02:00:55,490 --> 02:00:53,310
throw me a bone and point me in a

2518
02:00:58,970 --> 02:00:55,500
direction I mean for example you said to

2519
02:01:01,040 --> 02:00:58,980
me that you knew of two top top top

2520
02:01:04,010 --> 02:01:01,050
level individuals who confirm to you the

2521
02:01:05,690 --> 02:01:04,020
existence of 80 programs four bodies and

2522
02:01:09,260 --> 02:01:05,700
technology and in fact Edgar Mitchell

2523
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:09,270
did say that to me explicitly in 2004 in

2524
02:01:14,900 --> 02:01:11,610
a closed room we were in Roswell both

2525
02:01:16,640 --> 02:01:14,910
doing an event the event there and so I

2526
02:01:19,100 --> 02:01:16,650
wrote you know sometime after I said

2527
02:01:21,830 --> 02:01:19,110
just give me something and what he said

2528
02:01:25,790 --> 02:01:21,840
is look the people who came to me did so

2529
02:01:30,710 --> 02:01:25,800
at great risk professionally personally

2530
02:01:32,390 --> 02:01:30,720
and risk to their families exactly what

2531
02:01:35,750 --> 02:01:32,400
he said and and he said as long as

2532
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:35,760
they're around there's no way I'm gonna

2533
02:01:42,050 --> 02:01:38,810
you know throw them under the bus so

2534
02:01:44,330 --> 02:01:42,060
risk their families looks like that's

2535
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:44,340
what he said now is he just blowing

2536
02:01:50,510 --> 02:01:48,330
smoke he or not I I mean I believe him I

2537
02:01:53,570 --> 02:01:50,520
don't think he was lying now I think he

2538
02:01:56,270 --> 02:01:53,580
was making that up so I don't know

2539
02:01:58,430 --> 02:01:56,280
there's fear like these people are

2540
02:02:00,770 --> 02:01:58,440
afraid and those of us on the outside

2541
02:02:03,980 --> 02:02:00,780
like we're like well just disclose now

2542
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:03,990
damn it and I don't really think we

2543
02:02:09,830 --> 02:02:06,000
appreciate this situation and I mean it

2544
02:02:13,610 --> 02:02:09,840
frustrates me too I want them to come

2545
02:02:15,770 --> 02:02:13,620
out and say what I know they know and by

2546
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:15,780
the way none but actually here's the

2547
02:02:20,630 --> 02:02:16,730
other part of it

2548
02:02:23,060 --> 02:02:20,640
those people close to Erik Davis or

2549
02:02:24,740 --> 02:02:23,070
Davis himself even like you only have to

2550
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:24,750
do is read Erik Davis's interviews and

2551
02:02:32,090 --> 02:02:27,570
you can tell this guy knows a lot right

2552
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:32,100
he knows a lot he's extremely perceptive

2553
02:02:39,320 --> 02:02:36,210
and deep and but he's very really smart

2554
02:02:42,110 --> 02:02:39,330
he never goes over the line right but do

2555
02:02:43,550 --> 02:02:42,120
they know everything and if they were to

2556
02:02:46,300 --> 02:02:43,560
go on the record and say yeah this is

2557
02:02:49,250 --> 02:02:46,310
all true what would actually happen

2558
02:02:52,430 --> 02:02:49,260
would the world say oh wow they're

2559
02:02:54,530 --> 02:02:52,440
actually telling the truth or would some

2560
02:02:56,089 --> 02:02:54,540
cement headed skeptics out there who are

2561
02:02:58,250 --> 02:02:56,099
just intransigent because

2562
02:03:00,859 --> 02:02:58,260
that's what they are it's like encoded

2563
02:03:04,369 --> 02:03:00,869
in their DNA I think go after them and

2564
02:03:07,429 --> 02:03:04,379
just trash them publicly which you know

2565
02:03:08,989 --> 02:03:07,439
would happen and so the seed of doubt

2566
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:08,999
that's all it's necessary it's not

2567
02:03:14,179 --> 02:03:11,129
necessary to debug you just sow the seed

2568
02:03:16,759 --> 02:03:14,189
of doubt and what if these guys can't

2569
02:03:18,319 --> 02:03:16,769
prove every single thing that they want

2570
02:03:21,739 --> 02:03:18,329
to prove because I bet you they can't

2571
02:03:25,580 --> 02:03:21,749
guarantee you they can't they all these

2572
02:03:30,830 --> 02:03:25,590
people know something but very few if

2573
02:03:33,879 --> 02:03:30,840
any know everything it's really crazy

2574
02:03:36,619 --> 02:03:33,889
it's this ultra compartmented situation

2575
02:03:38,779 --> 02:03:36,629
and I don't think anyone in the Bigelow

2576
02:03:40,369 --> 02:03:38,789
crowd really is at the goldmine I don't

2577
02:03:42,020 --> 02:03:40,379
I don't think some you know they were

2578
02:03:44,359 --> 02:03:42,030
ill and they sent it up to the army and

2579
02:03:45,529 --> 02:03:44,369
that's interesting right right that

2580
02:03:49,790 --> 02:03:45,539
might be something but I don't think

2581
02:03:51,529 --> 02:03:49,800
they're at the center now and they if if

2582
02:03:54,770 --> 02:03:51,539
if we don't have a whistle blower

2583
02:03:57,709 --> 02:03:54,780
running around with you know USB drives

2584
02:04:05,540 --> 02:03:57,719
right now then that what that says to me

2585
02:04:08,959 --> 02:04:05,550
that they whoever is exposed to the real

2586
02:04:10,479 --> 02:04:08,969
stuff understands its importance and

2587
02:04:14,089 --> 02:04:10,489
they are not going to cross the line

2588
02:04:16,429 --> 02:04:14,099
even in Edward Snowden's case yeah was

2589
02:04:19,189 --> 02:04:16,439
the NSA it was a highly secretive

2590
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:19,199
program spying on US citizens right but

2591
02:04:26,029 --> 02:04:23,280
that's not as big as UFOs and aliens and

2592
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:26,039
ETS actually isn't it's it's not it's

2593
02:04:30,259 --> 02:04:28,050
not I don't want to discount what he

2594
02:04:34,310 --> 02:04:30,269
brought forward I'm not suggesting that

2595
02:04:37,250 --> 02:04:34,320
at all the flip side is if anybody out

2596
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:37,260
there like an Eric Davis or a help put

2597
02:04:43,819 --> 02:04:41,010
off or a kid green or or shocked valet

2598
02:04:48,020 --> 02:04:43,829
or anybody you know those out there that

2599
02:04:50,899 --> 02:04:48,030
that that we respect they don't have the

2600
02:04:54,319 --> 02:04:50,909
real information because they wouldn't

2601
02:04:57,709 --> 02:04:54,329
be allowed to even at all beyond Tucker

2602
02:05:01,040 --> 02:04:57,719
Carlson or in a UFO documentary or

2603
02:05:03,379 --> 02:05:01,050
coming on fade to black or or whatever

2604
02:05:05,509 --> 02:05:03,389
it just wouldn't happen they don't have

2605
02:05:07,369 --> 02:05:05,519
the real information for the reasons

2606
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:07,379
that you just pointed out well they they

2607
02:05:12,100 --> 02:05:09,050
have in for me

2608
02:05:14,370 --> 02:05:12,110
like I don't want to dismiss they have a

2609
02:05:18,300 --> 02:05:14,380
lot of information my opinion they

2610
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:18,310
actually know a lot but they don't know

2611
02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:20,719
everything that they want to know

2612
02:05:25,330 --> 02:05:24,170
probably pretty I mean I shouldn't

2613
02:05:26,790 --> 02:05:25,340
really be speaking for them but I I

2614
02:05:32,830 --> 02:05:26,800
think that's probably true

2615
02:05:34,930 --> 02:05:32,840
and they want to I think I think the

2616
02:05:36,879 --> 02:05:34,940
this group of people are just trying to

2617
02:05:38,709 --> 02:05:36,889
get to the center of the labyrinth and I

2618
02:05:40,810 --> 02:05:38,719
don't know if they'll actually ever do

2619
02:05:42,640 --> 02:05:40,820
it or not but but they've made more

2620
02:05:45,459 --> 02:05:42,650
progress than most people are going to

2621
02:05:46,959 --> 02:05:45,469
make and I just think they don't want to

2622
02:05:49,060 --> 02:05:46,969
risk it they don't want to risk any more

2623
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:49,070
well and they're all the same they're

2624
02:05:52,209 --> 02:05:51,050
they have different attitudes and sure I

2625
02:05:53,410 --> 02:05:52,219
don't want to put kid green and with

2626
02:05:54,930 --> 02:05:53,420
with Davis and put up because I think

2627
02:06:00,580 --> 02:05:54,940
he's got a different attitude these days

2628
02:06:02,500 --> 02:06:00,590
the fact is this this is let's talk

2629
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:02,510
about a fact Edward Snowden is still

2630
02:06:10,020 --> 02:06:07,010
alive in Russia or any place of his

2631
02:06:14,649 --> 02:06:10,030
planet Earth yeah he's still alive and

2632
02:06:17,470 --> 02:06:14,659
and and that is with NSA's spying on

2633
02:06:20,379 --> 02:06:17,480
Americans program that that was a bad

2634
02:06:22,990 --> 02:06:20,389
was a big deal well he's alive and at

2635
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:23,000
liberty only because he's in you know

2636
02:06:27,490 --> 02:06:25,760
got refugee he got but is it the status

2637
02:06:33,010 --> 02:06:27,500
in Russia I mean they're protecting him

2638
02:06:36,160 --> 02:06:33,020
yeah certainly in prison okay so if

2639
02:06:38,439 --> 02:06:36,170
somebody came forward with you know a

2640
02:06:42,070 --> 02:06:38,449
UFO whistleblower and he comes forward

2641
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:42,080
or she with with the stuff and it gets

2642
02:06:47,020 --> 02:06:43,690
blown out of the water

2643
02:06:48,310 --> 02:06:47,030
there isn't any threat to their family

2644
02:06:51,310 --> 02:06:48,320
you can't

2645
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:51,320
there isn't any threat of going to jail

2646
02:06:55,360 --> 02:06:52,850
there isn't any threat of any of that

2647
02:06:57,520 --> 02:06:55,370
because now you're a martyr and

2648
02:07:00,879 --> 02:06:57,530
everything that has been presented is

2649
02:07:02,709 --> 02:07:00,889
now truth so you've got to be able to

2650
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:02,719
hit that home run you have to try no you

2651
02:07:08,260 --> 02:07:05,690
got it right and you can't just have a

2652
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:08,270
little piece of it and be confident that

2653
02:07:14,379 --> 02:07:11,360
that's going to work when we talk about

2654
02:07:17,200 --> 02:07:14,389
stuff like this which I think there's a

2655
02:07:19,870 --> 02:07:17,210
really good example of getting really

2656
02:07:21,130 --> 02:07:19,880
close to a situation and that is that's

2657
02:07:26,610 --> 02:07:21,140
Gary McKinnon

2658
02:07:29,620 --> 02:07:26,620
and and the reason why that that

2659
02:07:32,920 --> 02:07:29,630
situation that he found himself in we

2660
02:07:36,220 --> 02:07:32,930
got so how do I want to say this so

2661
02:07:38,770 --> 02:07:36,230
close to the mark of being a real

2662
02:07:42,430 --> 02:07:38,780
whistleblower it's a fight that went

2663
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:42,440
down between the Queen of England and

2664
02:07:50,200 --> 02:07:45,650
Obama like I mean this this was like a

2665
02:07:54,220 --> 02:07:50,210
real-deal situation where we had heads

2666
02:07:57,340 --> 02:07:54,230
of state fighting over this guy and and

2667
02:08:00,070 --> 02:07:57,350
what what was actually revealed and how

2668
02:08:02,980 --> 02:08:00,080
it was revealed

2669
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:02,990
I found that remarkable is that as close

2670
02:08:07,210 --> 02:08:05,690
to a whistleblower as we have seen me in

2671
02:08:09,190 --> 02:08:07,220
the UFO field

2672
02:08:11,700 --> 02:08:09,200
I consider Gary McKinnon a good friend I

2673
02:08:16,240 --> 02:08:11,710
really like and respect Gary a lot and

2674
02:08:19,450 --> 02:08:16,250
yeah I think his he's a genuine

2675
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:19,460
whistleblower and he's but he wasn't

2676
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:22,490
anyone with NDA's he you know he was

2677
02:08:26,740 --> 02:08:25,610
lucky in the sense that he he he had

2678
02:08:29,470 --> 02:08:26,750
everything at the right time it was

2679
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:29,480
before like massive cybersecurity

2680
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:32,330
measures were put into place over every

2681
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:36,410
single area of of the space program and

2682
02:08:42,040 --> 02:08:37,850
even the defense community like he

2683
02:08:43,570 --> 02:08:42,050
actually got in by looking he created up

2684
02:08:47,560 --> 02:08:43,580
I think you'd call a Perl script where

2685
02:08:49,210 --> 02:08:47,570
he found openings where the there was no

2686
02:08:55,420 --> 02:08:49,220
password or the password was password

2687
02:08:57,820 --> 02:08:55,430
yeah admin yeah he got into one area

2688
02:08:59,530 --> 02:08:57,830
where he found what absolutely looked to

2689
02:09:02,050 --> 02:08:59,540
him to be a secret space program and

2690
02:09:04,930 --> 02:09:02,060
it's quite fascinating and and what made

2691
02:09:08,380 --> 02:09:04,940
him legit I think is the fact that the

2692
02:09:10,330 --> 02:09:08,390
US government went after him for more

2693
02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:10,340
than a decade and really tried to

2694
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:13,130
destroy his life I mean just and then

2695
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:14,810
lied and said hey is the most expensive

2696
02:09:20,080 --> 02:09:16,880
hacker in history like that's nonsense

2697
02:09:22,180 --> 02:09:20,090
but they were essentially just talking

2698
02:09:23,980 --> 02:09:22,190
up this game to try to justify getting

2699
02:09:26,110 --> 02:09:23,990
him and the other thing interesting

2700
02:09:30,220 --> 02:09:26,120
about McKinnon is that when his story

2701
02:09:32,140 --> 02:09:30,230
first broke in the early 2000s he was

2702
02:09:34,180 --> 02:09:32,150
known as the UFO hacker and what you

2703
02:09:34,899 --> 02:09:34,190
found in the in the media coverage as

2704
02:09:37,720 --> 02:09:34,909
years went

2705
02:09:38,950 --> 02:09:37,730
is the the UFO part just went away it

2706
02:09:40,990 --> 02:09:38,960
was really interesting how that whole

2707
02:09:42,700 --> 02:09:41,000
thing happened we obviously had a very

2708
02:09:46,990 --> 02:09:42,710
controlled media back then just as we do

2709
02:09:49,810 --> 02:09:47,000
now and they obviously agreed to just

2710
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:49,820
downplay the whole UFO part of it yeah

2711
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:53,330
he's he's legit and because of the way

2712
02:10:00,280 --> 02:09:56,570
that the government our government I

2713
02:10:04,780 --> 02:10:00,290
should say approached it Milland and the

2714
02:10:06,910 --> 02:10:04,790
UK its kind of ignored the UFO aspect of

2715
02:10:09,160 --> 02:10:06,920
it it was a health issue for them and

2716
02:10:12,010 --> 02:10:09,170
why he wasn't going to be extradited to

2717
02:10:14,430 --> 02:10:12,020
the United States the the the State

2718
02:10:18,669 --> 02:10:14,440
Department through everything they could

2719
02:10:20,649 --> 02:10:18,679
at the UK for a lots of different reason

2720
02:10:22,540 --> 02:10:20,659
one of them was a dollar figure like you

2721
02:10:24,100 --> 02:10:22,550
just said right yeah I mean the UK

2722
02:10:26,229 --> 02:10:24,110
government I'm just gonna say they

2723
02:10:28,689 --> 02:10:26,239
probably begin a rat's ass about him

2724
02:10:29,610 --> 02:10:28,699
actually if there had not been a public

2725
02:10:33,300 --> 02:10:29,620
outcry

2726
02:10:37,330 --> 02:10:33,310
so the fact is that Jeremy cannons case

2727
02:10:39,850 --> 02:10:37,340
became a cause celeb in the UK it got

2728
02:10:42,370 --> 02:10:39,860
out it would be interesting to track

2729
02:10:45,220 --> 02:10:42,380
like how that became what it did but it

2730
02:10:46,660 --> 02:10:45,230
did and and people in the United Kingdom

2731
02:10:49,419 --> 02:10:46,670
thought and you know what he's one of

2732
02:10:51,700 --> 02:10:49,429
ours and the US wants him for what for

2733
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:51,710
looking for UFOs get out of here and so

2734
02:10:58,570 --> 02:10:55,850
it became a very public issue and the UK

2735
02:11:01,899 --> 02:10:58,580
government was really forced in a

2736
02:11:05,200 --> 02:11:01,909
position of having to defend him and and

2737
02:11:07,750 --> 02:11:05,210
they did and good for them and good for

2738
02:11:09,430 --> 02:11:07,760
Gary because although he's not allowed

2739
02:11:11,260 --> 02:11:09,440
to leave even England he can't go into

2740
02:11:13,750 --> 02:11:11,270
Scotland which is what he is he's

2741
02:11:15,850 --> 02:11:13,760
Scottish his father died in Scotland and

2742
02:11:17,110 --> 02:11:15,860
and Gary said to me like if he had set

2743
02:11:18,810 --> 02:11:17,120
one foot in Scotland he would have been

2744
02:11:22,209 --> 02:11:18,820
in danger being arrested and extradited

2745
02:11:25,959 --> 02:11:22,219
so he's he's free in England

2746
02:11:28,540 --> 02:11:25,969
nowhere else so if the our whistleblower

2747
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:28,550
our our Snowden

2748
02:11:36,550 --> 02:11:33,530
actually happened would would you expect

2749
02:11:39,340 --> 02:11:36,560
the United States government to to go

2750
02:11:42,250 --> 02:11:39,350
out of their way to prosecute and

2751
02:11:44,649 --> 02:11:42,260
silence oh they have to go the other way

2752
02:11:47,770 --> 02:11:44,659
first what's that I would expect this

2753
02:11:48,430 --> 02:11:47,780
smear job first I think a lot of times

2754
02:11:50,680 --> 02:11:48,440
you know

2755
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:50,690
smear and deception has really become

2756
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:55,850
much more effective than then killing

2757
02:12:01,030 --> 02:11:58,010
someone and in that type of thing I

2758
02:12:02,890 --> 02:12:01,040
think you know that's that's the way it

2759
02:12:05,290 --> 02:12:02,900
works now and in fact Snowden is one of

2760
02:12:06,790 --> 02:12:05,300
the reasons that we we see this and you

2761
02:12:10,330 --> 02:12:06,800
know part of his revelations that came

2762
02:12:13,660 --> 02:12:10,340
out with pointing out how GCHQ that's

2763
02:12:15,310 --> 02:12:13,670
Britain's NSA how they do personal false

2764
02:12:17,650 --> 02:12:15,320
flags against people and they smear

2765
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:17,660
individuals and destroy the reputation

2766
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:19,850
and create fake victims of fake crimes

2767
02:12:23,709 --> 02:12:21,920
and all of that stuff that was one of

2768
02:12:26,380 --> 02:12:23,719
the things that came out so that's I

2769
02:12:29,709 --> 02:12:26,390
think a very effective means that as

2770
02:12:31,720 --> 02:12:29,719
well as controlling the media which you

2771
02:12:34,990 --> 02:12:31,730
know the mainstream corporate media is

2772
02:12:38,830 --> 02:12:35,000
is it's completely controlled you've got

2773
02:12:40,510 --> 02:12:38,840
a small group of alternative researchers

2774
02:12:44,979 --> 02:12:40,520
that are getting squeezed out more and

2775
02:12:48,370 --> 02:12:44,989
more every week and now Google and in

2776
02:12:50,110 --> 02:12:48,380
Facebook they're part of and you know

2777
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:50,120
they're part of the legacy media now

2778
02:12:54,630 --> 02:12:51,290
they're part of the establishment me

2779
02:12:56,860 --> 02:12:54,640
they'd come right on in so they're I

2780
02:12:58,870 --> 02:12:56,870
guess so I'm saying is like when you

2781
02:13:01,620 --> 02:12:58,880
control the media and you have the

2782
02:13:04,870 --> 02:13:01,630
ability to smear and destroy reputations

2783
02:13:07,890 --> 02:13:04,880
that's often that's probably enough in

2784
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:07,900
most cases and it's enough to scare off

2785
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:11,090
independent researchers academics who

2786
02:13:15,880 --> 02:13:13,370
are basically not a very brave lot to

2787
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:15,890
begin with like from going into this and

2788
02:13:21,880 --> 02:13:20,090
from touching this further if the tooth

2789
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:21,890
too much toothpaste gets out of the tube

2790
02:13:28,840 --> 02:13:25,370
then then then we're in a new ballgame

2791
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:28,850
yeah yeah that's my question I feel like

2792
02:13:34,750 --> 02:13:32,090
we're a half a tube out actually yeah I

2793
02:13:38,350 --> 02:13:34,760
feel pretty good about that but I think

2794
02:13:41,080 --> 02:13:38,360
the cap has been put on back onto the

2795
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:41,090
tube where we were just cruising along

2796
02:13:47,220 --> 02:13:44,090
look these Senate revelations over the

2797
02:13:50,290 --> 02:13:47,230
last week phenomenal fast radio bursts

2798
02:13:52,050 --> 02:13:50,300
phenomenal 20 billion rocky earths in

2799
02:13:54,580 --> 02:13:52,060
our Milky Way

2800
02:13:57,220 --> 02:13:54,590
probably littered with intelligent

2801
02:14:00,719 --> 02:13:57,230
civilizations and our quest for that the

2802
02:14:03,989 --> 02:14:00,729
the media has not stopped

2803
02:14:07,019 --> 02:14:03,999
alien news that part's been really cool

2804
02:14:10,889 --> 02:14:07,029
but we didn't we thought that we were in

2805
02:14:15,239 --> 02:14:10,899
real disclosure back in 2017 we're about

2806
02:14:17,099 --> 02:14:15,249
to roll into 2021 Richard oh you know

2807
02:14:19,139 --> 02:14:17,109
how do we keep the toothpaste coming out

2808
02:14:20,639 --> 02:14:19,149
a long period of time it's actually not

2809
02:14:23,579 --> 02:14:20,649
a long period of time and and I don't

2810
02:14:26,699 --> 02:14:23,589
think that the cap is back on so I think

2811
02:14:29,999 --> 02:14:26,709
that we can expect more and I it's not

2812
02:14:32,369 --> 02:14:30,009
like I've got inside info on on every

2813
02:14:33,989 --> 02:14:32,379
little thing that's going on but I do

2814
02:14:37,469 --> 02:14:33,999
know that there's a lot of researchers

2815
02:14:39,779 --> 02:14:37,479
who are still digging and a lot of them

2816
02:14:42,149 --> 02:14:39,789
are very optimistic no I think that

2817
02:14:46,499 --> 02:14:42,159
we've we can't expect more to come out I

2818
02:14:49,559 --> 02:14:46,509
do and I don't know how crucial it's

2819
02:14:50,759 --> 02:14:49,569
going to be but I think we're in and

2820
02:14:52,229 --> 02:14:50,769
this is something honestly I'm just

2821
02:14:53,539 --> 02:14:52,239
gonna say I predicted more than ten

2822
02:14:57,419 --> 02:14:53,549
years ago

2823
02:14:59,639 --> 02:14:57,429
might take looking at future Society

2824
02:15:03,149 --> 02:14:59,649
which is like our current society is

2825
02:15:04,889 --> 02:15:03,159
that we're moving into an era where too

2826
02:15:08,549 --> 02:15:04,899
much information is being shared and too

2827
02:15:14,699 --> 02:15:08,559
many points of leakage become possible

2828
02:15:17,909 --> 02:15:14,709
and what I predicted I guess I'd say is

2829
02:15:19,949 --> 02:15:17,919
that there would be a greater prevalence

2830
02:15:22,589 --> 02:15:19,959
of leaks and also a greater and greater

2831
02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:22,599
attempts to control those leaks through

2832
02:15:28,199 --> 02:15:25,689
consolidation of the narrative and in

2833
02:15:30,779 --> 02:15:28,209
fact sadly that is exactly what we are

2834
02:15:32,339 --> 02:15:30,789
seeing so we're seeing leaks coming out

2835
02:15:33,749 --> 02:15:32,349
we're seeing information coming out and

2836
02:15:40,649 --> 02:15:33,759
we're also seeing containment efforts

2837
02:15:43,019 --> 02:15:40,659
through well controlled media and if

2838
02:15:45,029 --> 02:15:43,029
things get to be bad enough I'm sure

2839
02:15:46,739 --> 02:15:45,039
we'll start seeing serious smear jobs

2840
02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:46,749
and the like but it doesn't mean that it

2841
02:15:53,009 --> 02:15:50,169
will they'll succeed like I don't I

2842
02:15:54,329 --> 02:15:53,019
don't know who you'd want to bet on but

2843
02:15:56,909 --> 02:15:54,339
I'm not gonna bet against the people on

2844
02:16:01,469 --> 02:15:56,919
this one I really think that we're in an

2845
02:16:03,479 --> 02:16:01,479
era where we're we're just about to

2846
02:16:06,029 --> 02:16:03,489
develop a critical mass maybe we already

2847
02:16:08,309 --> 02:16:06,039
have four years three years really it's

2848
02:16:11,909 --> 02:16:08,319
let's see December 2017 so it's actually

2849
02:16:13,260 --> 02:16:11,919
less than three years all right since

2850
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:13,270
the New York Times and

2851
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:16,000
go pieces came out in December of 2017

2852
02:16:21,330 --> 02:16:18,250
two and a half right years mm-hmm it's

2853
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:21,340
not long we've seen a lot of change in

2854
02:16:26,490 --> 02:16:22,960
that period of time and I'm not saying

2855
02:16:29,190 --> 02:16:26,500
oh yeah disclosure but I do think we're

2856
02:16:32,850 --> 02:16:29,200
not done now we've got a lot of other

2857
02:16:36,299 --> 02:16:32,860
problems because the disclosure can

2858
02:16:39,780 --> 02:16:36,309
easily happen within the context of a

2859
02:16:41,820 --> 02:16:39,790
global totalitarian quasi what fascist

2860
02:16:43,919 --> 02:16:41,830
type of system I mean I'm gonna use a

2861
02:16:46,620 --> 02:16:43,929
term loosely here but in the sense of

2862
02:16:48,540 --> 02:16:46,630
total information control we're not yet

2863
02:16:51,930 --> 02:16:48,550
in a world where there is total

2864
02:16:52,680 --> 02:16:51,940
information control by the corporate /

2865
02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:52,690
political

2866
02:16:58,500 --> 02:16:55,090
/ intelligence establishment but we're

2867
02:17:02,009 --> 02:16:58,510
getting there that's the scary thing and

2868
02:17:05,640 --> 02:17:02,019
and I I speculated years and years ago

2869
02:17:12,030 --> 02:17:05,650
that we might just be unlucky enough to

2870
02:17:16,709 --> 02:17:12,040
have disclosure only when the global

2871
02:17:20,220 --> 02:17:16,719
narrative is secure enough that those

2872
02:17:22,169 --> 02:17:20,230
secret keepers can be confident that

2873
02:17:23,759 --> 02:17:22,179
they will be able to maintain control of

2874
02:17:27,709 --> 02:17:23,769
a narrative you know we've been dumbed

2875
02:17:29,549 --> 02:17:27,719
down like godlike education levels

2876
02:17:32,549 --> 02:17:29,559
particularly in terms of history are

2877
02:17:34,290 --> 02:17:32,559
just so low now it's horrible

2878
02:17:38,339 --> 02:17:34,300
I mean compared even when I was much

2879
02:17:42,570 --> 02:17:38,349
younger and I just there's it's really

2880
02:17:43,980 --> 02:17:42,580
easy to see how you could toxify a

2881
02:17:47,129 --> 02:17:43,990
population with bad food bad

2882
02:17:48,900 --> 02:17:47,139
entertainment stupid culture you know

2883
02:17:51,299 --> 02:17:48,910
all the other things are going on that

2884
02:17:55,910 --> 02:17:51,309
just dumb people down and make them

2885
02:17:58,560 --> 02:17:55,920
completely incapable of responding to

2886
02:18:00,690 --> 02:17:58,570
the challenge of this of this phenomenon

2887
02:18:02,220 --> 02:18:00,700
and so a disclosure can come out if you

2888
02:18:04,350 --> 02:18:02,230
have a whole mountain of evidence of

2889
02:18:05,970 --> 02:18:04,360
that actually exists and you do

2890
02:18:08,580 --> 02:18:05,980
disclosure just giving up one little

2891
02:18:11,879 --> 02:18:08,590
sliver of that mountain which I could

2892
02:18:14,820 --> 02:18:11,889
easily see happening right that that

2893
02:18:17,970 --> 02:18:14,830
would be ideal for them and you keep a

2894
02:18:19,440 --> 02:18:17,980
secret by pretending to share it if I'm

2895
02:18:21,180 --> 02:18:19,450
not mistaken that was an old saying of

2896
02:18:22,140 --> 02:18:21,190
Allen Dulles former director of the CIA

2897
02:18:26,340 --> 02:18:22,150
that's right

2898
02:18:28,830 --> 02:18:26,350
so that I can see that's

2899
02:18:30,930 --> 02:18:28,840
dangerous and it would be a very

2900
02:18:32,970 --> 02:18:30,940
unfortunate situation I don't know if

2901
02:18:35,520 --> 02:18:32,980
that's where we will end up but it may

2902
02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:35,530
not end up like that this is a foot race

2903
02:18:40,710 --> 02:18:38,170
between the people and the let's call

2904
02:18:41,880 --> 02:18:40,720
them the powers-that-be I guess and I

2905
02:18:43,560 --> 02:18:41,890
don't know who's gonna win that one like

2906
02:18:46,260 --> 02:18:43,570
in other words will they get to the

2907
02:18:50,610 --> 02:18:46,270
finish line first and and lock down the

2908
02:18:53,460 --> 02:18:50,620
whole global system perfectly or will we

2909
02:18:55,500 --> 02:18:53,470
get there first with a revelation a leak

2910
02:18:58,470 --> 02:18:55,510
or something that that they're not yet

2911
02:19:01,740 --> 02:18:58,480
ready or able to contain like that's

2912
02:19:04,230 --> 02:19:01,750
actually the real drama of our era in

2913
02:19:06,090 --> 02:19:04,240
terms of the UFO phenomenon we have a

2914
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:06,100
lot of dramas going on but that's that's

2915
02:19:10,560 --> 02:19:09,010
our UFO drama and yeah I'm gonna say

2916
02:19:12,720 --> 02:19:10,570
like I called that one well more than

2917
02:19:14,430 --> 02:19:12,730
ten years ago I have old lectures where

2918
02:19:17,160 --> 02:19:14,440
I talked about this I can't remember how

2919
02:19:20,041 --> 02:19:17,170
far back but maybe oh six oh seven at

2920
02:19:22,260 --> 02:19:20,051
least and I think that that actually can

2921
02:19:26,010 --> 02:19:22,270
be true still today I think that we're

2922
02:19:28,650 --> 02:19:26,020
kind of seeing that play out interested

2923
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:28,660
to see how it ends up the the three

2924
02:19:34,470 --> 02:19:33,040
videos which are all interesting there's

2925
02:19:38,100 --> 02:19:34,480
there's no question about that they're

2926
02:19:43,740 --> 02:19:38,110
interesting but what those three videos

2927
02:19:46,200 --> 02:19:43,750
are not is like the Patterson film all

2928
02:19:50,190 --> 02:19:46,210
right they're cool

2929
02:19:53,551 --> 02:19:50,200
they show something but they don't it's

2930
02:19:58,711 --> 02:19:53,561
it's you know it's not some up close and

2931
02:20:01,501 --> 02:19:58,721
personal shot of the sport model at area

2932
02:20:04,140 --> 02:20:01,511
51 and we're looking at rivets on the

2933
02:20:07,921 --> 02:20:04,150
seats of the craft that's not what those

2934
02:20:09,780 --> 02:20:07,931
videos are and and it's like you just

2935
02:20:14,940 --> 02:20:09,790
said it's been two and a half years is

2936
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:14,950
there is there further cooperation with

2937
02:20:22,110 --> 02:20:18,960
the Pentagon and whether it's T TSA or

2938
02:20:25,140 --> 02:20:22,120
or the public in general the New York

2939
02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:25,150
Times and Leslie Cain is there is there

2940
02:20:31,980 --> 02:20:27,280
another step here with the Pentagon

2941
02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:31,990
where another video is released and and

2942
02:20:36,810 --> 02:20:34,090
is out there to be discussed for the

2943
02:20:40,470 --> 02:20:36,820
Senate for Capitol Hill

2944
02:20:43,261 --> 02:20:40,480
and and for security reasons and and it

2945
02:20:45,870 --> 02:20:43,271
is is there something else or is that

2946
02:20:48,180 --> 02:20:45,880
door completely closed because of the

2947
02:20:49,801 --> 02:20:48,190
way those three videos were handled yeah

2948
02:20:53,480 --> 02:20:49,811
it's quite possible that it's the latter

2949
02:20:57,001 --> 02:20:53,490
I don't know what's going on you know

2950
02:20:59,310 --> 02:20:57,011
you know if there's any attempt to get

2951
02:21:00,631 --> 02:20:59,320
more videos out what we what it looks

2952
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:00,641
like I would I would like to interview

2953
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:04,570
Lu Elizondo on this explicitly but the

2954
02:21:09,381 --> 02:21:06,250
various like the evidence that we have

2955
02:21:14,390 --> 02:21:09,391
of his emails back in 2017 where he was

2956
02:21:19,650 --> 02:21:14,400
working to get those videos Declassified

2957
02:21:21,150 --> 02:21:19,660
it looks to me that he was I wouldn't I

2958
02:21:22,591 --> 02:21:21,160
don't want to say deceptive I don't I

2959
02:21:28,580 --> 02:21:22,601
think that's going too far but he was

2960
02:21:31,560 --> 02:21:28,590
very clever in understating the

2961
02:21:34,801 --> 02:21:31,570
significance of those videos from a UFO

2962
02:21:37,461 --> 02:21:34,811
point of view certainly not by you know

2963
02:21:40,890 --> 02:21:37,471
didn't refer to them as UFOs or UAP even

2964
02:21:43,740 --> 02:21:40,900
and so and also had allies I mean that's

2965
02:21:46,291 --> 02:21:43,750
the thing like there's within the that

2966
02:21:49,020 --> 02:21:46,301
whole system he clearly has friends and

2967
02:21:50,940 --> 02:21:49,030
enemies but he had enough friends and

2968
02:21:53,881 --> 02:21:50,950
they were quiet enough and depth and and

2969
02:21:57,600 --> 02:21:53,891
and smart enough that those three videos

2970
02:21:58,950 --> 02:21:57,610
got Declassified and then obviously the

2971
02:22:00,900 --> 02:21:58,960
Pentagon and the neighbor were like how

2972
02:22:03,930 --> 02:22:00,910
the hell did those get out and they were

2973
02:22:06,660 --> 02:22:03,940
no it was Elizondo who released them not

2974
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:06,670
the Navy but he released them legally

2975
02:22:11,761 --> 02:22:09,610
because he got them Declassified to him

2976
02:22:14,100 --> 02:22:11,771
so he was allowed to do that the Navy

2977
02:22:16,230 --> 02:22:14,110
didn't have to own up to those videos

2978
02:22:18,511 --> 02:22:16,240
and for a while they didn't and for a

2979
02:22:19,921 --> 02:22:18,521
while you have these skeptics like

2980
02:22:23,640 --> 02:22:19,931
saying all kinds of really foolish

2981
02:22:24,961 --> 02:22:23,650
things about the videos I go to hoax you

2982
02:22:26,820 --> 02:22:24,971
know they even hoax the audio and all

2983
02:22:30,091 --> 02:22:26,830
this nonsense none of that was true I

2984
02:22:32,580 --> 02:22:30,101
mean it just shows you how ideologically

2985
02:22:35,430 --> 02:22:32,590
driven some of these skeptics are you

2986
02:22:38,430 --> 02:22:35,440
know but back to Elizondo what I think

2987
02:22:40,440 --> 02:22:38,440
is and and back to the videos it's first

2988
02:22:41,970 --> 02:22:40,450
of all he has stated that there were

2989
02:22:44,551 --> 02:22:41,980
more than those three and that those

2990
02:22:47,070 --> 02:22:44,561
three actually were longer than they are

2991
02:22:47,820 --> 02:22:47,080
and that what he was able to get with

2992
02:22:51,660 --> 02:22:47,830
those

2993
02:22:54,060 --> 02:22:51,670
brief snippets that were cleared so

2994
02:22:57,060 --> 02:22:54,070
there's more to them and there were more

2995
02:22:59,700 --> 02:22:57,070
videos I don't know how many more

2996
02:23:00,680 --> 02:22:59,710
exactly but so there's more but are they

2997
02:23:03,270 --> 02:23:00,690
going to be released

2998
02:23:06,210 --> 02:23:03,280
I'm gonna guess probably not because I

2999
02:23:08,670 --> 02:23:06,220
think that people in control of those

3000
02:23:10,470 --> 02:23:08,680
videos like fool me once shame on you

3001
02:23:11,270 --> 02:23:10,480
fool me twice shame on me not that's not

3002
02:23:15,090 --> 02:23:11,280
gonna happen

3003
02:23:18,600 --> 02:23:15,100
now whether there are other avenues for

3004
02:23:20,880 --> 02:23:18,610
more videos to come and that's an open

3005
02:23:23,730 --> 02:23:20,890
question I don't know but I'm gonna

3006
02:23:25,500 --> 02:23:23,740
guess at those other ones I think he got

3007
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:25,510
everything he was able to get and when

3008
02:23:33,570 --> 02:23:29,170
we all look back honestly I think we

3009
02:23:38,190 --> 02:23:33,580
should be extremely grateful to what he

3010
02:23:41,700 --> 02:23:38,200
did by getting those videos Declassified

3011
02:23:44,490 --> 02:23:41,710
we we actually all owe Lou Elizondo a

3012
02:23:48,180 --> 02:23:44,500
serious thanks that was not easy to do

3013
02:23:52,110 --> 02:23:48,190
but he was able to do it and there was a

3014
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:52,120
backlash against him there was a lot of

3015
02:23:57,600 --> 02:23:55,330
public you know anger and a lot of

3016
02:23:59,190 --> 02:23:57,610
smearing against him I mean oh my god

3017
02:24:04,140 --> 02:23:59,200
the smear campaign against him was

3018
02:24:08,100 --> 02:24:04,150
shameful so yeah I think he did it

3019
02:24:10,110 --> 02:24:08,110
actually did a great thing and I would

3020
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:10,120
like to see more of that and you know

3021
02:24:13,830 --> 02:24:12,160
the good news from our point of views we

3022
02:24:16,801 --> 02:24:13,840
were just saying like there are more

3023
02:24:20,040 --> 02:24:16,811
opportunities for information to come

3024
02:24:23,640 --> 02:24:20,050
out and I think that we are in an era

3025
02:24:26,610 --> 02:24:23,650
where is that old Elvis Costello song

3026
02:24:28,830 --> 02:24:26,620
accidents will happen and I think that

3027
02:24:32,520 --> 02:24:28,840
they will continue I think we're in an

3028
02:24:35,011 --> 02:24:32,530
era where a lot of accidents can happen

3029
02:24:36,080 --> 02:24:35,021
I want to thank you man happy birthday

3030
02:24:38,850 --> 02:24:36,090
by the way

3031
02:24:43,380 --> 02:24:38,860
thank you I feel great yeah great

3032
02:24:47,310 --> 02:24:43,390
conversation tonight and the the road

3033
02:24:53,190 --> 02:24:47,320
forward I'm not so sure Richard where we

3034
02:24:56,070 --> 02:24:53,200
are today and I want to stay excited I'm

3035
02:24:59,160 --> 02:24:56,080
gonna ride this out until you know until

3036
02:25:00,930 --> 02:24:59,170
I can't anymore I know that you're going

3037
02:25:04,041 --> 02:25:00,940
to do the same thing you know

3038
02:25:08,041 --> 02:25:04,051
I thought that we were on a faster track

3039
02:25:09,480 --> 02:25:08,051
and and I'm just actually are what one

3040
02:25:13,051 --> 02:25:09,490
thing we'll talk about the next time you

3041
02:25:16,921 --> 02:25:13,061
have me on sure I firmly believe that we

3042
02:25:18,900 --> 02:25:16,931
are moving into a new phase of human

3043
02:25:21,180 --> 02:25:18,910
existence I call it the fourth phase of

3044
02:25:23,700 --> 02:25:21,190
humanity you know we started as hunters

3045
02:25:25,650 --> 02:25:23,710
and gatherers for over two hundred

3046
02:25:27,360 --> 02:25:25,660
thousand years then we for about ten

3047
02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:27,370
thousand years were agriculturally based

3048
02:25:31,970 --> 02:25:29,650
you know we invented animal husbandry

3049
02:25:34,171 --> 02:25:31,980
and agriculture and sedentary

3050
02:25:35,610 --> 02:25:34,181
agriculture and developed cities and

3051
02:25:37,711 --> 02:25:35,620
things like that on that basis as well

3052
02:25:40,200 --> 02:25:37,721
and then in the last let's say three

3053
02:25:42,091 --> 02:25:40,210
centuries or so we developed a new form

3054
02:25:44,421 --> 02:25:42,101
of civilization essentially based

3055
02:25:47,070 --> 02:25:44,431
explicitly on science and tech and an

3056
02:25:49,020 --> 02:25:47,080
industry and capitalism where we really

3057
02:25:50,911 --> 02:25:49,030
reinvented the world completely

3058
02:25:53,581 --> 02:25:50,921
reinvented it and we're now moving into

3059
02:25:56,461 --> 02:25:53,591
a fourth phase each of the phases is

3060
02:25:58,560 --> 02:25:56,471
shorter and shorter and I don't have a

3061
02:26:00,661 --> 02:25:58,570
better name for that phase yet than the

3062
02:26:01,770 --> 02:26:00,671
transhumanist phase I think that's what

3063
02:26:03,780 --> 02:26:01,780
we're going to be moving into and

3064
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:03,790
that'll include strong AI and it'll

3065
02:26:07,581 --> 02:26:04,570
include

3066
02:26:10,341 --> 02:26:07,591
total surveillance 5g implementation

3067
02:26:12,661 --> 02:26:10,351
complete loss of privacy of course and

3068
02:26:15,301 --> 02:26:12,671
lots and lots lots more that will

3069
02:26:16,740 --> 02:26:15,311
transform human civilization

3070
02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:16,750
fundamentally and we're looking at it

3071
02:26:20,850 --> 02:26:18,250
happen like in the blink of an eye

3072
02:26:24,661 --> 02:26:20,860
relatively speaking and the UFO

3073
02:26:27,841 --> 02:26:24,671
disclosure scenario or the UFO

3074
02:26:31,291 --> 02:26:27,851
phenomenon is happening in this greater

3075
02:26:32,791 --> 02:26:31,301
context that is important that is

3076
02:26:36,961 --> 02:26:32,801
significant so it's happening in the

3077
02:26:39,030 --> 02:26:36,971
context of massive civil civilizational

3078
02:26:42,331 --> 02:26:39,040
change not just cultural change it's

3079
02:26:45,541 --> 02:26:42,341
happening at a fundamental level well

3080
02:26:47,251 --> 02:26:45,551
and and and and what we're I would this

3081
02:26:49,801 --> 02:26:47,261
is this is kind of funny this is where

3082
02:26:53,671 --> 02:26:49,811
I'm going to agree with you but it's not

3083
02:27:00,211 --> 02:26:53,681
in the way that you would think and that

3084
02:27:06,020 --> 02:27:00,221
is and that is this I'm not so sure I

3085
02:27:10,200 --> 02:27:06,030
think that the the opera's been sung on

3086
02:27:12,360 --> 02:27:10,210
this version of disclosure I think is

3087
02:27:13,301 --> 02:27:12,370
kind of far as it's gonna go I'm talking

3088
02:27:18,370 --> 02:27:13,311
about

3089
02:27:23,470 --> 02:27:18,380
the Pentagon Navy pilots videos the

3090
02:27:26,261 --> 02:27:23,480
Senate you ApS that that that thing is

3091
02:27:29,291 --> 02:27:26,271
is is is it's it's coming to a

3092
02:27:32,381 --> 02:27:29,301
conclusion curtains being drawn where

3093
02:27:33,940 --> 02:27:32,391
it's going to come from is the element

3094
02:27:37,591 --> 02:27:33,950
that isn't in the government's control

3095
02:27:39,700 --> 02:27:37,601
which is Science and Technology

3096
02:27:44,551 --> 02:27:39,710
something is going to happen out there

3097
02:27:48,100 --> 02:27:44,561
whether it is the the picking up of

3098
02:27:50,680 --> 02:27:48,110
communications the sighting of something

3099
02:27:53,591 --> 02:27:50,690
on a distant star traveling to a planet

3100
02:27:56,921 --> 02:27:53,601
some kind of what is something Dyson

3101
02:27:58,900 --> 02:27:56,931
Sphere something like that is going to

3102
02:28:02,770 --> 02:27:58,910
be completely out of their control

3103
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:02,780
and it is going to be disclosed via

3104
02:28:09,280 --> 02:28:06,170
science because science wants to know if

3105
02:28:10,541 --> 02:28:09,290
there is life out there you and I want

3106
02:28:15,551 --> 02:28:10,551
to know if there's life out there for

3107
02:28:19,320 --> 02:28:15,561
sure but it's a whole nother matter of a

3108
02:28:23,110 --> 02:28:19,330
global network of radio telescopes and

3109
02:28:24,820 --> 02:28:23,120
astronomers and an astrophysicists out

3110
02:28:27,581 --> 02:28:24,830
there trying to figure out what's going

3111
02:28:28,541 --> 02:28:27,591
on they want those answers and I think

3112
02:28:30,120 --> 02:28:28,551
that's entirely possible

3113
02:28:31,810 --> 02:28:30,130
I think what you're saying actually is

3114
02:28:35,560 --> 02:28:31,820
that makes sense

3115
02:28:38,440 --> 02:28:35,570
that it's not going to be a political or

3116
02:28:40,301 --> 02:28:38,450
cultural phenomenon but it could be an

3117
02:28:42,190 --> 02:28:40,311
inevitability of the progression of our

3118
02:28:44,081 --> 02:28:42,200
scientific knowledge that's right that's

3119
02:28:46,421 --> 02:28:44,091
right and it at a certain point it's

3120
02:28:49,150 --> 02:28:46,431
just it it can't be stopped

3121
02:28:51,220 --> 02:28:49,160
look no secret lasts forever every

3122
02:28:53,530 --> 02:28:51,230
secrets got an expiration date sorry got

3123
02:28:55,841 --> 02:28:53,540
a shelf-life and this one's getting

3124
02:28:59,100 --> 02:28:55,851
stale it's getting old and smelly it

3125
02:29:01,030 --> 02:28:59,110
can't it's not gonna last much longer

3126
02:29:02,620 --> 02:29:01,040
something's gonna take it down that's

3127
02:29:04,780 --> 02:29:02,630
right that's right I think the curtains

3128
02:29:09,910 --> 02:29:04,790
drawn I'm okay with that the science

3129
02:29:11,620 --> 02:29:09,920
part of it is so exciting to me and what

3130
02:29:13,870 --> 02:29:11,630
what a great time if you're an

3131
02:29:16,421 --> 02:29:13,880
astronomer if you're you know what if I

3132
02:29:19,480 --> 02:29:16,431
could back up 20 years and change course

3133
02:29:21,610 --> 02:29:19,490
of my life I would be an astronomer I'd

3134
02:29:24,070 --> 02:29:21,620
be an astrophysicist I'd be out there

3135
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:24,080
discovering exoplanets because you can

3136
02:29:28,429 --> 02:29:26,250
do it every night of the week

3137
02:29:31,580 --> 02:29:28,439
that's cool but hey the action is not

3138
02:29:35,660 --> 02:29:31,590
out there action is down here

3139
02:29:38,840 --> 02:29:35,670
it's a Rochester man hey listen thank

3140
02:29:40,370 --> 02:29:38,850
you so much and I look forward to the

3141
02:29:43,400 --> 02:29:40,380
next time I don't know when we're gonna

3142
02:29:45,679 --> 02:29:43,410
see each other England just got blown

3143
02:29:47,950 --> 02:29:45,689
out for us we had great plans for

3144
02:29:50,599 --> 02:29:47,960
hanging out at Manchester

3145
02:29:53,660 --> 02:29:50,609
the rest of them in an upside-down world

3146
02:29:55,849 --> 02:29:53,670
know we are we're in bizarro world down

3147
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:55,859
yeah thank you so much Richard it will

3148
02:30:00,820 --> 02:29:57,840
happen we will get we will get together

3149
02:30:03,229 --> 02:30:00,830
my best ur Traci thank you so much and

3150
02:30:06,170 --> 02:30:03,239
I'll give you call over the weekend and

3151
02:30:07,400 --> 02:30:06,180
we'll have another great fight it's been

3152
02:30:10,130 --> 02:30:07,410
my pleasure my man that's what I'm

3153
02:30:12,080 --> 02:30:10,140
talking about thank you Richard Dolan

3154
02:30:16,550 --> 02:30:12,090
Richard bleep ago happy birthday Richard

3155
02:30:18,920 --> 02:30:16,560
behave and be well man this is fade to

3156
02:30:22,400 --> 02:30:18,930
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3157
02:30:24,170 --> 02:30:22,410
great conversation tonight and you know

3158
02:30:27,170 --> 02:30:24,180
what Richard still on the line he

3159
02:30:28,849 --> 02:30:27,180
doesn't realize it but I got an extra 20

3160
02:30:30,679 --> 02:30:28,859
minutes out of him tonight and didn't

3161
02:30:32,990 --> 02:30:30,689
have to ask for it thank you so much

3162
02:30:34,519 --> 02:30:33,000
richer behave and be well I'll be right

3163
02:30:36,020 --> 02:30:34,529
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3164
02:30:55,480 --> 02:30:36,030
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welcome back fade to black had to get

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that last commercial run in it's paying

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tonight what a great conversation one

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hold a bowl and yeah I skip the

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commercial at the bottom of the hour we

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were too too deep into the conversation

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where it couldn't end and and he knew

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that I want to thank Richard for hanging

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on and giving us that extra half hour of

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conversation I want to say this I've got

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a minute left and I wanted to say that

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this is the thing I wanted to say this

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with Richard it just got away from me

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but I want to say this now power the

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power of suggestion with anything is

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strong and I often wonder if those three

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videos if the suggestion that they were

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ET and ufo-related if that wasn't out

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there and the world saw those videos

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would they see something else or is it

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just you know whatever see that's the

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thing with the videos which is what I

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suggested to Richard if another video

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comes out I mean like the Patterson film

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and we have something where it clearly

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there is something there I think we're

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we're into another not only situation

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but something that we would be able to

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especially as a UFO community feel

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pretty good or we could back up and go

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now that is interesting you know the

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three videos were only interesting

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because we were told they had a UFO

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component to them and we made them et we

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made them a UFO video we because of the

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powers of suggestion and that's where

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I'm at with it you know because my

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excitement in the videos in the

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beginning because it was

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UFOs and that's whatever and I watched

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him and I had that planet in my mind I

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went with it

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the more that I look at them today now

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now we need a reset or the curtain is

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drawn the end you know as far as that

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02:37:07,460 --> 02:37:04,859
part I think we've pushed it as far as

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we can go and that's where I'm at

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02:37:10,939 --> 02:37:09,869
and with that thank you Richard what a

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great show tonight

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it is World UFO today a world UFO day

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and I want to say happy UFO day to

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everybody this is fade to black I am

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change of network I'll see everybody on

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Saturday over at coast to coast am my

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guest is Scott Wolter I'll see you guys

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there but until then be safe

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